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Interesting quotes to go with this Post “So, your kids must love the iPad?” I asked Mr. [Steve] Jobs, trying to change the subject. The company’s first tablet was just hitting the shelves. “They haven’t used it,” he told me. “We limit how much technology our kids use at home.” (NYtimes article, Sept. 10, 2014)” ― Nick Bilton “Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.…

>“Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.” ― Aldous Huxley

Interestingly, though he didn't intend it (he thought he was writing dystopian fiction), Aldous Huxley actually predicted humanity's best possible future with "Brave New World".

Without traditional (basically pre-technological) societies where women are essentially slaves, people earnestly believe in ridiculous supernatural religious claims, and couples are basically stuck together no matter how miserable they are, it's simply not mathematically possible for birthrates to be kept high enough to sustain the human population. Huxley brilliantly predicted a future society that could use technology to solve this problem which we're now seeing in developed nations. Societies should be looking at it as a blueprint, not something to avoid, though the constant drug-use should probably not be emulated.

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Interesting quotes to go with this Post “So, your kids must love the iPad?” I asked Mr. [Steve] Jobs, trying to change the subject. The company’s first tablet was just hitting the shelves. “They haven’t used it,” he told me. “We limit how much technology our kids use at home.” (NYtimes article, Sept. 10, 2014)” ― Nick Bilton “Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.…

>“Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.” ― Aldous Huxley

It may have provided us with the largely unused means to more easily go backwards if we want to (for example, via nuclear or massive biological war), but the idea that it's made us worse off from some ideal previous state of lower technology is popular, fashionably nihilistic nonsense with no bearing on concrete reality. It was also just as stupid an idea in Huxley's time.

Anybody who thinks such a thing should really read more carefully on how nearly every aspect of life was in the past, even fairly recently, or if they have the means, go visit a society that today genuinely lives without using modern technology.

(pseudo-hippie communes of "like-minded" individuals that back up their cute experiments with modern industrial products, modern medicine and the ability to go back to civilization at any time, don't count)

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Interesting quotes to go with this Post “So, your kids must love the iPad?” I asked Mr. [Steve] Jobs, trying to change the subject. The company’s first tablet was just hitting the shelves. “They haven’t used it,” he told me. “We limit how much technology our kids use at home.” (NYtimes article, Sept. 10, 2014)” ― Nick Bilton “Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.…

>“Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.” ― Aldous Huxley It may have provided us with the largely unused means to more easily go backwards if we want to (for example, via nuclear or massive biological war), but the idea that it's made us worse off from some ideal previous state of lower technology is popular, fashionably nihilistic nonsense with no bearing on con…

This is an over statement. I, too, have read Slouching Towards Utopia and Steven Pinker. But (a) technology is not a monolith, it's clearly nice to have enough food and modern medicine while it's also terrible that we're destroying our biome or facing increased illiteracy due to social media. Also (b) technology, like beer, is both the cause of AND the solution to all problems. Harari and James C. Scott make compelling arguments about how agriculture, among the first widely adopted technologies, deprived us of a utopia that we're scrambling to recover with more technology ever since. I call this the Operation Cat Drop problem. See also Under a White Sky.

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Interesting quotes to go with this Post “So, your kids must love the iPad?” I asked Mr. [Steve] Jobs, trying to change the subject. The company’s first tablet was just hitting the shelves. “They haven’t used it,” he told me. “We limit how much technology our kids use at home.” (NYtimes article, Sept. 10, 2014)” ― Nick Bilton “Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.…

>“Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.” ― Aldous Huxley Interestingly, though he didn't intend it (he thought he was writing dystopian fiction), Aldous Huxley actually predicted humanity's best possible future with "Brave New World". Without traditional (basically pre-technological) societies where women are essentially slaves, people earnestly believe in ridicu…

Is sustaining the human population at its current levels an ideal to strive towards? Fewer people means fewer goods, but also less demand; automation has taken over so much already it’s hard to see the point of having so many people.

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>“Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.” ― Aldous Huxley Interestingly, though he didn't intend it (he thought he was writing dystopian fiction), Aldous Huxley actually predicted humanity's best possible future with "Brave New World". Without traditional (basically pre-technological) societies where women are essentially slaves, people earnestly believe in ridicu…

Is sustaining the human population at its current levels an ideal to strive towards? Fewer people means fewer goods, but also less demand; automation has taken over so much already it’s hard to see the point of having so many people.

Fewer people means less insurance in case of natural disaster, less innovation, less of everything really. Of course, that has to be balanced with resource consumption, environmental effects, etc.

Also, a declining population doesn't just mean "go back to a more sustainable level". It's not like people are suddenly going to start having babies again when the population gets to, say, 1B, and things will carry on sustainably. Instead, there'll barely be anyone who can have babies, because everyone will be elderly (i.e. inverted population pyramid), so the population will just keep collapsing. And with so many old people needing care, and no young people around to do it, things are going to get really bad quickly.

People seem to think we're going to invent some super-advanced humanoid care-giving robots "any day now", and I suppose also invent some way of people being able to have more kids over a longer lifespan or something, but betting your society's future on uninvented technology is not good planning I think.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is sustaining the human population at its current levels an ideal to strive towards? Fewer people means fewer goods, but also less demand; automation has taken over so much already it’s hard to see the point of having so many people.

Fewer people means less insurance in case of natural disaster, less innovation, less of everything really. Of course, that has to be balanced with resource consumption, environmental effects, etc. Also, a declining population doesn't just mean "go back to a more sustainable level". It's not like people are suddenly going to start having babies again when the population gets to, say, 1B, and things will carry on susta…

If we can survive population decline at all (fwiw I think is still an open question on a planetary scale), we shouldn't worry about rebounding for a long time yet. So many problems we face that would be easier to solve at 1B people than 10B would also be even easier with 100M. The "market" will clear and human population long term will settle into something that can be sustained with available resources and biosphere services. Getting there via "attrition" is preferable to getting there via apocalyptic wars, famines, genocides, and diseases.

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Interesting quotes to go with this Post “So, your kids must love the iPad?” I asked Mr. [Steve] Jobs, trying to change the subject. The company’s first tablet was just hitting the shelves. “They haven’t used it,” he told me. “We limit how much technology our kids use at home.” (NYtimes article, Sept. 10, 2014)” ― Nick Bilton “Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.…

>“Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.” ― Aldous Huxley Interestingly, though he didn't intend it (he thought he was writing dystopian fiction), Aldous Huxley actually predicted humanity's best possible future with "Brave New World". Without traditional (basically pre-technological) societies where women are essentially slaves, people earnestly believe in ridicu…

That was lost on me, because the second quote felt like a prediction of the impact of technology on our social lives.

Re: Singles Want to Find Love in Real Life Again, If Only They Could Remember How

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First, you need non or minimal commercial, low pressure spaces for casual social activities appealing to both genders: Low impact team sports like flag football, soccer/other football, ultimate frisbee, volleyball at parks or beaches. Dancing. Yoga. Cooking. Book clubs. Refuse and vegetation cleanup. Food banks and kitchens. Volunteer homebuilding. Public speaking practice groups. There are many, many choices but a person must focus and prioritize their time budget, perhaps often where they feel the most comfortable. There is nowhere in particular romance can or can't happen, but it certainly won't if they don't go out or if they go out seeking it with desperation.
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