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A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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Healthcare is a massive cost for people, businesses, and governments. >So we basically just become operators of the machines. Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value. If you don't think this is coming for every single area of business, you're foolish. Driving down labor costs is the golden goose. We've been abl…

"don't think will happen" != "don't think is good"

Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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Healthcare is a massive cost for people, businesses, and governments. >So we basically just become operators of the machines. Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value. If you don't think this is coming for every single area of business, you're foolish. Driving down labor costs is the golden goose. We've been abl…

> Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value.

And quality as well.

Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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"We didn’t call it AI at first." Because the first things described in the article are not AI. They are ML at most. Then the article discusses a patient needs scoring method, moving from their own Low/Medium/High model to a scoring method on an unbound linear scale. The author appears to struggle with being able to tell if 240 is high or not. They don't state if they ever had training or saw documentation for the sco…

> AI converging with medical technology is a really dangerous space, for obvious reasons. An article like this does make me worry it's being rushed through, but not because of the author's objections, instead because of their ignorance of what is and what isn't AI I mean, worth pointing out that OpenAI has been shoving LLMs into people's faces for going on about a year and half now at global scale and calling it AI,…

For 60 years the Turing Test was the standard benchmark for artificial intelligence. Now machines can pass the test. The only goalpost moving I can see is the moving done by the people who insist that LLM's aren't AI.

Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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"We didn’t call it AI at first." Because the first things described in the article are not AI. They are ML at most. Then the article discusses a patient needs scoring method, moving from their own Low/Medium/High model to a scoring method on an unbound linear scale. The author appears to struggle with being able to tell if 240 is high or not. They don't state if they ever had training or saw documentation for the sco…

> If it sucks and hallucinates information it's not going to go live anywhere. It hallucinates and it's live in many places. My doctor uses it. AFAICT the hallucination rate is fairly low. It's transcription and summarization which has a lower hallucination rate than when it's asked for an answer. It's massively better than the alternative. Taking the time to write down proper notes is the difference between 4 patien…

What about increasing the supply of doctors rather than decreasing the time they spend with patients?

I question the underlying premise that efficiency needs to increase.

Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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Everyone should be terrified. The "promise" of AI is the following: remove any kind of remaining communication between humans, because that is "inefficient", and replace it with an AI that will mediate all human interactions (in business and even in other areas). In a few years, AIs trained by big corps will run the show and humans will be required to interface with them to do anything of value. Similar to what they…

Some of us look forward to that future where you mostly just interact with AI. The one depressing us is not turning running over our goverment to AI. The sooner we can do that the better, you can't trust humans.

Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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Healthcare is a massive cost for people, businesses, and governments. >So we basically just become operators of the machines. Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value. If you don't think this is coming for every single area of business, you're foolish. Driving down labor costs is the golden goose. We've been abl…

> Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value.

We don't need AI to bring down the cost of healthcare. It's well documented to a ridiculous degree now that the United States spends vastly more per-patient on healthcare while receiving just about the worst outcomes, and it has nothing the fuck to do with how much the staff are paid, and everything to do with the for profit models and insurance industry. Our healthcare system is comprised to a large amount of nothing but various middlemen operating between what should be a pretty straightforward relationship between you, your doctor, your pharmacist and the health oversight of the Government.

Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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"We didn’t call it AI at first." Because the first things described in the article are not AI. They are ML at most. Then the article discusses a patient needs scoring method, moving from their own Low/Medium/High model to a scoring method on an unbound linear scale. The author appears to struggle with being able to tell if 240 is high or not. They don't state if they ever had training or saw documentation for the sco…

> AI converging with medical technology is a really dangerous space, for obvious reasons. An article like this does make me worry it's being rushed through, but not because of the author's objections, instead because of their ignorance of what is and what isn't AI I mean, worth pointing out that OpenAI has been shoving LLMs into people's faces for going on about a year and half now at global scale and calling it AI,…

The simple state machines and decision trees that make enemies move and attack in video games, we also call AI.

AI is a loose term and always has been. It's like the term "robot": we call any machine a robot which either a) resembles a human or part of one (e.g., a robotic arm), or b) can perform some significant human labor that involves decision making (e.g., a robot car that drives itself). Similarly, AI is anything that makes, or seems to make, judgements that we think of as the exclusive purview of humans. Decision trees used to be thought of as AI, but today they are not (except, again, in the context of video games where they're used to control agents intended to seem alive).

Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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Healthcare is a massive cost for people, businesses, and governments. >So we basically just become operators of the machines. Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value. If you don't think this is coming for every single area of business, you're foolish. Driving down labor costs is the golden goose. We've been abl…

Efficiency and lowered costs are not universally good. They strongly favor easily-measured values over hard-to-measure values, which in practice means preferring mechanisms to people.

Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals

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Healthcare is a massive cost for people, businesses, and governments. >So we basically just become operators of the machines. Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value. If you don't think this is coming for every single area of business, you're foolish. Driving down labor costs is the golden goose. We've been abl…

> Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value. We don't need AI to bring down the cost of healthcare. It's well documented to a ridiculous degree now that the United States spends vastly more per-patient on healthcare while receiving just about the worst outcomes, and it has nothing the fuck to do with how much the…

Well put. The goal of AI isn't to bring down costs. It's to move (even more of) the profits from the workers to the owners. If the goal was to bring down costs, there are way, way more effective ways to do that.
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