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Horse – The Organized Browser

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Re: Horse – The Organized Browser

#11
Okay, so pay money to someone to maintain a Chrome fork with a somehow-better treestyletabs? No thank you. This is a ridiculous product that caters to people that can't install a simple browser extension. This is also a huge security risk.

Install firefox, use an extension. Or use brave and its built-in sidebar for tabs.

Re: Horse – The Organized Browser

#14
Funny how these sort of solutions come up. I never understood the tab problem, I don't even use extensions to manage tabs, group tabs, or whatever. I like to keep my work focused, so apart from the 4-5 tabs I keep permanently open due to convenience (email, tasks, calendar, etc), I rarely have more than 3-4 others of stuff I'm working/researching. When its done, I close them. If I need them, I either bookmark or save the content.

Re: Horse – The Organized Browser

#15

I bought a lifetime license to Horse a while ago but haven’t really used it until recently (Arc is my main). It’s pretty good, opinionated, but it doesn’t support extensions. The built-in ad blocker is okay but Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin are my winning combo in mainstream browsers. I also use Raindrop in a regular basis so until Horse at least supports those three extensions, it won’t be my main browser.

I don't use it myself but I came across this open stats page which seems to suggest Chrome Extension Support is coupled to hitting $10K MRR.

The graph legend says

> To comfortably maintain our own build pipeline with Chrome Extension Support.

Re: Horse – The Organized Browser

#16

Interesting that they chose Electron. Cross platform is certainly enticing, but at this point I'd say that browsers are relatively heavyweight pieces of software that require careful optimisation to do well, even assuming you outsource the engine.

If true, horse browser devs need to read the Security section on Electron docs: > With that in mind, be aware that displaying arbitrary content from untrusted sources poses a severe security risk that Electron is not intended to handle. https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/tutorial/security#pre... I feel like they should’ve used Chromium.

Of anyone is making a browser in todays age, I would imagine starting with something like Servo would be best. There are far too many chromium based browsers.

A very minimal Rust-only browser with security and privacy in mind at every single step is completely missing from browsers today. Things like waterfox et al are enormous projects that take far too long for one person to audit the entire code base to ensure correctness. Something like the 'wireguard of browsers' in this regard is needed (single repo that one person can read over in a day and can be built with a single cargo build command). Even servo unfortunately falls just barely shy of this goal, but one can dream.

Re: Horse – The Organized Browser

#18

So the point is to have hierarchical tables groups? Aren’t there Firefox / Chrome extensions that do that? I wouldn’t mind paying a lifetime fee for a better browser, that also seems to align with how I take notes. It’s the support of various obscure web gotchas and things like in-browser visualizations that worry me. I run into issues of some page not loading properly on Firefox and have to fire up Chrome, I imagine…

There is a Tree Style Tab addon for Firefox, but it's nowhere near as polished as what's shown in the promo video. There's nothing like this in Chrome, since Chrome doesn't offer access to any browser UI elements beyond a popup over the extension's icon in the navbar. At one point I even tried to do my version of a vertical/hierarchical tab sidebar that would live in an extra tab in the Dev Tools drawer, but had to give up when I realized that there's no way to keep Dev Tools automatically open on every page.

I think it's a cool idea and something I'd buy for 20-60$, but only if it was an addon, not its own standalone browser. Those are too important to get from a tiny startup.

Re: Horse – The Organized Browser

#19

Why don’t we just use Edge? It offers a superior experience with features like vertical tabs, collections, and more.

Too much nagging.

I honestly wonder how it would feel to be an "Edge as main browser" person. I open it up every 2 weeks for LinkedIn (too lazy for an extra firefox profile there) and yes, it wants to be my default browser, every second time it also wants me to configure something from MS, or import something or WTF. Barely usable if I have to close 4 dialogs to open a website.

Re: Horse – The Organized Browser

#20

Funny how these sort of solutions come up. I never understood the tab problem, I don't even use extensions to manage tabs, group tabs, or whatever. I like to keep my work focused, so apart from the 4-5 tabs I keep permanently open due to convenience (email, tasks, calendar, etc), I rarely have more than 3-4 others of stuff I'm working/researching. When its done, I close them. If I need them, I either bookmark or save…

My partner has ~300 tabs open at any point in time in Safari for iOS and uses the tab grid as a kind of visual registry of things to read, interesting events/restaurants, in-progress work, etc. It makes me panic looking at it but I think it isn't my place to say that it's a problem.

Basically there's two ways to deal with an emergent user behavior: see it as a problem to control (make people use bookmarks instead), or embrace it as the path of least friction for the user and actually encourage it more, and make it easier, and more robust (Safari sometimes loses all tabs which is obviously a catastrophe for my partner).

Then the remaining question is, can a single product solve both user behaviors? Or do you need a new product to solve for the second behavior? And maybe that's a great reason for a solution like this to come up.

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