Live data from Hacker News

How to Fix the Electoral College

federicolopriore.com

11–20 of 106 posts

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#11
post #8

Another approach that is in the works is the so-called States Compact whereby each state would assign all its electors to the candidate that gets the most votes nationwide . This has the advantage that no change to the Constitution is needed. Currently, several States have agreed to this, and the Compact will be activated once enough States sign on that provide more than the 270 electoral votes required to win the el…

How is this different from popular vote?

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#12
post #8

Another approach that is in the works is the so-called States Compact whereby each state would assign all its electors to the candidate that gets the most votes nationwide . This has the advantage that no change to the Constitution is needed. Currently, several States have agreed to this, and the Compact will be activated once enough States sign on that provide more than the 270 electoral votes required to win the el…

How is this different from popular vote?

It would be implementing a popular vote nationwide by circumventing the electoral college. It’s just a mechanism to get around modifying the constitution.

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#13
post #8

Another approach that is in the works is the so-called States Compact whereby each state would assign all its electors to the candidate that gets the most votes nationwide . This has the advantage that no change to the Constitution is needed. Currently, several States have agreed to this, and the Compact will be activated once enough States sign on that provide more than the 270 electoral votes required to win the el…

It would require a modification to the constitution, Article 1 Section 10 Clause 3 prohibits the states from entering into any compact with one another without the consent of congress. Congress could consent to it, which would bypass the amendment requirements, but I doubt they would as it takes federal power away.

I don't know if it would. At least according to the Wikipedia article on state compacts[0] and the entire article on the constitutionality of this specific compact[1] SCOTUS has already ruled that explicit consent isn't always necessary (it can even just be inferred,) and there seems to be some room for debate.

Of course it doesn't really matter. The Constitution means whatever you can bribe the Supreme Court to say it means. God Bless America.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_compact

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutionality_of_the_Natio...

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#14
post #8

Another approach that is in the works is the so-called States Compact whereby each state would assign all its electors to the candidate that gets the most votes nationwide . This has the advantage that no change to the Constitution is needed. Currently, several States have agreed to this, and the Compact will be activated once enough States sign on that provide more than the 270 electoral votes required to win the el…

So the electors are restricted to what they can do to some extent, but can the individual state tell the electors to do something that conflicts with what their own voters may have overwhelmingly voted against?

That seems like it would inevitably fall apart.

Also present a lot of mystery about "they going to do it?" and then someone doesn't and someone else chooses something else.

Talk about a mess for democracy ...

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#15
post #8

Another approach that is in the works is the so-called States Compact whereby each state would assign all its electors to the candidate that gets the most votes nationwide . This has the advantage that no change to the Constitution is needed. Currently, several States have agreed to this, and the Compact will be activated once enough States sign on that provide more than the 270 electoral votes required to win the el…

How is this different from popular vote?

The current compact only kicks in is the electoral college vote and the popular vote differ.

That is quite a bit different than the popular vote as you can see this year when Trump would have basically run the board of electoral college votes without that caveat.

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#16
post #8

Another approach that is in the works is the so-called States Compact whereby each state would assign all its electors to the candidate that gets the most votes nationwide . This has the advantage that no change to the Constitution is needed. Currently, several States have agreed to this, and the Compact will be activated once enough States sign on that provide more than the 270 electoral votes required to win the el…

It would require a modification to the constitution, Article 1 Section 10 Clause 3 prohibits the states from entering into any compact with one another without the consent of congress. Congress could consent to it, which would bypass the amendment requirements, but I doubt they would as it takes federal power away.

The main problem is that it takes power away from one party.

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#17
Although we are often taught that it is slavery slavery slavery, the electoral college is also an attempt to prevent the tyranny of the majority - something the founding fathers were worried about.

It is also easy to forget that we are called the United States for a reason. We were more like the EU than we are like France...

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#18
post #6

We need to solve the problem where the system breaks when there are more than two parties: the "spoiler vote".[1] It is the single largest problem facing American democracy. Dump the electoral college system and start from scratch. Look to real democracies like Europe where they use ranked choice voting - also called instant runoff voting.[2] [1] https://fairvote.org/defining-the-spoiler-effect/ [2] https://electionl…

IRV is also vulnerable to third-party spoilers; the squeezed middle is a well-known phenomenon in that system.

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#19

Hello, here is my proposal to improve the Electoral College. The basic idea is to allocate electors proportionally in each state with the Jefferson method (aka d'Hondt method) rather than using a "winner-take-all" system. What do you think about it? PS: I'm not from the US, so an American perspective on that would be extremely appreciated :)

Would you implement such a thing for the EU leadership?

Because the United States was meant to be more like that than it was a country like say France.

Re: How to Fix the Electoral College

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different from popular vote?

The current compact only kicks in is the electoral college vote and the popular vote differ. That is quite a bit different than the popular vote as you can see this year when Trump would have basically run the board of electoral college votes without that caveat.

Either way, the person who wins the popular vote wins the election; what difference does it make how many electoral college votes they get (if the electoral votes are determined by a rule like that).
Post reply on HN