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Oligarchs now in full control of America? What does Hacker News think of this?

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Re: Oligarchs now in full control of America? What does Hacker News think of this?

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Post by marcuskane2 »

Honestly, after a brief bit of despair, I took a hard look at what Trump supporters were saying and particularly the priorities and beliefs of people in the demographics that shifted in his favor and I think there's a clear path to Democrat victories in the future.

This election shouldn't be understood as some sort of "the oligarchs won", but rather that the American voters have signaled that they're "anti-woke" to the point that they can tolerate many other flaws in a candidate.

The social-progressive faction of the Democrats was too loud, too aggressive and too influential and alienated too many average Americans. The average Trump supporter wasn't voting for him because they were MAGA diehards, they just didn't want their kids' school to have drag queen story hour and they didn't want to be called racists every time Twitter users decided a new word was "problematic".

In four years, Trump will have done terrible damage to the country and world, but the 2028 election can be a landslide victory for the Democrats if they focus on housing, healthcare, childcare, education, environment and economy instead of race and gender.

Basically, it's bad, but it's temporary and fixable.

Re: Oligarchs now in full control of America? What does Hacker News think of this?

#12

Post by Sol2Sol »

marcuskane2 wrote: post #11

Honestly, after a brief bit of despair, I took a hard look at what Trump supporters were saying and particularly the priorities and beliefs of people in the demographics that shifted in his favor and I think there's a clear path to Democrat victories in the future. This election shouldn't be understood as some sort of "the oligarchs won", but rather that the American voters have signaled that they're "anti-woke" to t…

He also easily brushed aside the Republican contenders during the primaries so I think it is a bit more than voters can't stand woke democrat policies.

All of the character issues were raised and known during the Republican primaries and they still selected him as their candidate.

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Post by damnesian »

jfengel wrote: post #3

Oligarchs have always had full control in America. They've chosen to exercise that in an especially conspicuous way, but in the end, a bunch of people went into the voting booth and pulled the lever labeled "felon". The oligarchs have a huge thumb on the scale, but it's not mind control. As Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." Maybe w…

>tons of misery in the "get your government hands off my medicare" crowd

Well, and also in the "I genuinely need medicare because my wages were stagnant most of my career" crowd, too.

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#14

Post by sidibe »

We are living in an age of open grift. There hasn't been any proactive prosecution and punishment for wildly successful grifters for quite some time the government was too scared to shake the economy/shareholders for many administrations in a row and hoping market forces expose them and the legal stuff can start when they're already bust and unpopular, but now they're firmly in control and can keep it going indefinitely or simply make fraud normal and OK to

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#15

Post by xenospn »

marcuskane2 wrote: post #11

Honestly, after a brief bit of despair, I took a hard look at what Trump supporters were saying and particularly the priorities and beliefs of people in the demographics that shifted in his favor and I think there's a clear path to Democrat victories in the future. This election shouldn't be understood as some sort of "the oligarchs won", but rather that the American voters have signaled that they're "anti-woke" to t…

Are there people who voted for Obama and then decided to vote for Trump because of “woke”?

To me, it sounds like going to a restaurant and not really seeing anything you like on the menu, so instead of getting something kind of “meh”, you decide to go to the bathroom and drink out of the toilet.

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#16

Post by yawpitch »

marcuskane2 wrote: post #11

Honestly, after a brief bit of despair, I took a hard look at what Trump supporters were saying and particularly the priorities and beliefs of people in the demographics that shifted in his favor and I think there's a clear path to Democrat victories in the future. This election shouldn't be understood as some sort of "the oligarchs won", but rather that the American voters have signaled that they're "anti-woke" to t…

> but the 2028 election

Ahh, to still have the kind of sweet, sweet naïveté that would lead me to believe there will be a 2028 election.

Re: Oligarchs now in full control of America? What does Hacker News think of this?

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Post by workfromspace »

Not just the USA, but probably many other countries as well.

For example, in Estonia there's an oligarch named Margus Linnamäe, who owns all the authorized Apple resellers, over 90% of the pharmacies, almost half of the media, almost all the movie theaters etc... This guy can set any price without any competition.

A while ago this guy shut down the most of the pharmacies in the country for a day (in the name of a strike) because government was trying to pass a law affecting him.

No one, especially oligarchs like him should be allowed to have such power.

Re: Oligarchs now in full control of America? What does Hacker News think of this?

#19

Post by lawls »

lawls wrote: post #6

I plan on going to my nearest Trump Tower and throwing water balloons full of watercolor paints at it to paint the rainbow.

Just to be clear, I will be doing this to the Chicago Trump Tower over the weekend. Taking my son for his first introduction into civil disobedience.

Re: Oligarchs now in full control of America? What does Hacker News think of this?

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Post by xenospn »

yawpitch wrote: post #16
marcuskane2 wrote: post #11

Honestly, after a brief bit of despair, I took a hard look at what Trump supporters were saying and particularly the priorities and beliefs of people in the demographics that shifted in his favor and I think there's a clear path to Democrat victories in the future. This election shouldn't be understood as some sort of "the oligarchs won", but rather that the American voters have signaled that they're "anti-woke" to t…

> but the 2028 election Ahh, to still have the kind of sweet, sweet naïveté that would lead me to believe there will be a 2028 election.

There will be one, but not everyone will get to take part. Russian model.
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