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FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

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Re: FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

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Post by bityard »

LeonM wrote: post #5

The announcement page does not explain what FLUX is, what |pro| means, what Ultra means, or raw for that matter. I click on the homepage, more jargon, still no explanation of what FLUX is. Scrolling down to way below the fold finally there is some hint in a blog post excerpt: "The best of FLUX, offering state-of-the-art performance image generation at blazing speeds". From the pictures I can kinda assume that this is…

The current trend in tech marketing is to gush about how awesome your thing is, while being incredibly vague as to what it even does. My guess is that they somehow believe that keeping people wondering will prompt them to enter their email address somewhere just to find out.

When I see a site that is more hype than substance, I assume it's some kind of grift and close the tab.

Re: FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

#12

Post by loudmax »

causal wrote: post #7

6 cents per image :|

I think the 'Pro' part of the name is a good indicator that this is a business-to-business venture, not something aimed at consumers. In that respect, 6 cents per image seems quite reasonable. If you're generating images for a business, paying a human to even visually review image quality at 6c per image is basically sweatshop wage.

If you're generating images for personal use, there are lots of open weight models that are quite capable.

Re: FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

#14

Post by whywhywhywhy »

loudmax wrote: post #12
causal wrote: post #7

6 cents per image :|

I think the 'Pro' part of the name is a good indicator that this is a business-to-business venture, not something aimed at consumers. In that respect, 6 cents per image seems quite reasonable. If you're generating images for a business, paying a human to even visually review image quality at 6c per image is basically sweatshop wage. If you're generating images for personal use, there are lots of open weight models th…

Not really because you're paying for the roll of the dice not to get the actual desired image. So it's more like the minimum it would cost is 6c with no celling.

Re: FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

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Post by anentropic »

Wow, this instantly gave better results to my first couple of queries than any other image generator I've tried

I'm not even talking about the high res feature, just the returned image was better looking, more on-prompt and without weird artefacts

Re: FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

#16

Post by woodrowbarlow »

bityard wrote: post #11
LeonM wrote: post #5

The announcement page does not explain what FLUX is, what |pro| means, what Ultra means, or raw for that matter. I click on the homepage, more jargon, still no explanation of what FLUX is. Scrolling down to way below the fold finally there is some hint in a blog post excerpt: "The best of FLUX, offering state-of-the-art performance image generation at blazing speeds". From the pictures I can kinda assume that this is…

The current trend in tech marketing is to gush about how awesome your thing is, while being incredibly vague as to what it even does. My guess is that they somehow believe that keeping people wondering will prompt them to enter their email address somewhere just to find out. When I see a site that is more hype than substance, I assume it's some kind of grift and close the tab.

this didn't seem vague to me. i suppose it might've helped if they'd move the last sentence to the very beginning.

> Ready to experience the next generation of image creation? Access FLUX1.1 [pro] through our API today.

* "ultra" means 4x resolution at 10s/sample without sacrificing prompt adherence.

* "raw" means the generated images look more like candid photos.

* $0.06 per API call to generate an image.

no fluff, only detailed and specific information. the whole thing is less than 150 words.

Re: FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

#17

Post by loudmax »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #14
loudmax wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the 'Pro' part of the name is a good indicator that this is a business-to-business venture, not something aimed at consumers. In that respect, 6 cents per image seems quite reasonable. If you're generating images for a business, paying a human to even visually review image quality at 6c per image is basically sweatshop wage. If you're generating images for personal use, there are lots of open weight models th…

Not really because you're paying for the roll of the dice not to get the actual desired image. So it's more like the minimum it would cost is 6c with no celling.

How do you even determine whether or not an an AI-generated image is what you desired?

If a human being is making that determination, their time is probably worth more than the 6 cents it cost to generate the image.

Re: FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

#18

Post by causal »

loudmax wrote: post #17
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really because you're paying for the roll of the dice not to get the actual desired image. So it's more like the minimum it would cost is 6c with no celling.

How do you even determine whether or not an an AI-generated image is what you desired? If a human being is making that determination, their time is probably worth more than the 6 cents it cost to generate the image.

Of course it is, but it's not an either-or expense it's both-and. For most projects you need to do a lot of trial and error to get the right image, so it's the cost of someone who knows how to do that trial and error effectively + probably a few hundred generations per hour.

Re: FLUX1.1 [Pro] Ultra and Raw Modes

#19

Post by vanillax »

Flux159 wrote: post #2

I like they're adding 4MP images, but after so many models in the past 2 years (diffusion, LLM, etc.), I can't keep up with what model(s) are best for which use cases. I know civitai has fine tunes specifically for anime style, realistic, etc. but I don't know which one is "state of the art". /r/stablediffusion usually gets overly hyped about new models and isn't really searchable for what is sota today. This doesn't…

I've recently been down this path and its a messy place thats really the most user unfriendly experience. But at a high level you have two staples models. Stable Diffusion 3 XL and FLux.

There are two main tools ( think ollama ) - Automatic1111 ( gradio like UI ) which only works with stable diffusion models... and ComfyUI ( NodeRed like UI ), where comfy ui supports all models but is harder to set up and learn.

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