Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon.
Media should call this waste of oxygen by his real name on the headline.
Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
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Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#12He exposed an organised totalitarian system taking over both gov and legal system, with anyone resisting being arrested/crushed with lawfare.
Go see the documentary he created, it's eye opening, scary, true.
Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#13The last phrase shows an interesting problem. Can you be forced to unlock your phone if it contains something that is legally protected as secret, so unlocking your phone you would be breaking the law?.
What information would the state forbid the state to know? The only thing I can think of is if the information is classfied at a higher level than the investigators are authorised to know, but that would be quite an exceptional situation. There's a funny story that Bill Binney tells, the former technical director of the NSA who blew the whistle on the spy programs following the patriot act, about when a couple of FBI…
I hate to defend such a despicable human being, but it’s a legitimate point: Not only does he have a right not to self-incriminate, he also has a right to hide his defense strategy against the crimes with which the state has charged him from the state.
(Note that I’m speaking broadly when I say “right,” in the sense that these are human rights that should be universally respected. The UK certainly doesn’t seem to respect the right against self-incrimination, given that it charges people with a crime for not allowing a border agent to rifle through their phone.)
Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess if a government wants to manufacture consent/support for a terrible law, they need to enforce it against the least sympathetic defendants they can find.
> if a government wants to manufacture consent/support for a terrible law, they need to enforce it against the least sympathetic defendants they can find Not everything is a conspiracy. He libelled a person. A court said stop libelling. He violated that injunction. The takeaway from this guy’s history is he’s a liar and serial lawbreaker. The outrage in this story is reliant on his account. As a result, this is a not…
His argument against being charged with a crime for refusing to provide access to his phone contents is actually reasonable. (Unlike virtually every other argument he has ever made, whether in court or out of it; he’s an idiot and a racist.)
If his planned defense against his other criminal charges was documented on the phone, that would make it information the state cannot legitimately seek or possess. And that’s not even considering his inherent right to privacy.
Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if a government wants to manufacture consent/support for a terrible law, they need to enforce it against the least sympathetic defendants they can find Not everything is a conspiracy. He libelled a person. A court said stop libelling. He violated that injunction. The takeaway from this guy’s history is he’s a liar and serial lawbreaker. The outrage in this story is reliant on his account. As a result, this is a not…
His argument against being charged with a crime for refusing to provide access to his phone contents is actually reasonable. (Unlike virtually every other argument he has ever made, whether in court or out of it; he’s an idiot and a racist.) If his planned defense against his other criminal charges was documented on the phone, that would make it information the state cannot legitimately seek or possess. And that’s no…
> argument against being charged with a crime for refusing to provide access to his phone contents is actually reasonable
Sure. We have no evidence that is (a) true or (b) what happened.
> that would make it information the state cannot legitimately seek or possess
It might make some of it privileged. That's miles apart from "information the state cannot legitimately seek or possess."
Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#16He exposed an organised totalitarian system taking over both gov and legal system, with anyone resisting being arrested/crushed with lawfare. Go see the documentary he created, it's eye opening, scary, true.
> see the documentary he created, it's eye opening, scary, true
How can you trust him given his personal history of violence, fraud and lying? Are his accounts corroborated by someone reputable?
From his record on Wikipedia and the facts in this article, he's either an idiot with impulse-control issues, or a provocateur who repeatedly gets himself in trouble to play victim for views. Neither suggests a reliable narrator.
Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
What information would the state forbid the state to know? The only thing I can think of is if the information is classfied at a higher level than the investigators are authorised to know, but that would be quite an exceptional situation. There's a funny story that Bill Binney tells, the former technical director of the NSA who blew the whistle on the spy programs following the patriot act, about when a couple of FBI…
I hate to defend such a despicable human being, but it’s a legitimate point: Not only does he have a right not to self-incriminate, he also has a right to hide his defense strategy against the crimes with which the state has charged him from the state. (Note that I’m speaking broadly when I say “right,” in the sense that these are human rights that should be universally respected. The UK certainly doesn’t seem to res…
> UK certainly doesn’t seem to respect the right against self-incrimination, given that it charges people with a crime for not allowing a border agent to rifle through their phone
You're describing a violation of privacy, possibly privilege, not self-incrimination doctrine. Self incrimination relates to compelled speech [1].
Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#18He exposed an organised totalitarian system taking over both gov and legal system, with anyone resisting being arrested/crushed with lawfare. Go see the documentary he created, it's eye opening, scary, true.
> see the documentary he created, it's eye opening, scary, true How can you trust him given his personal history of violence, fraud and lying? Are his accounts corroborated by someone reputable? From his record on Wikipedia and the facts in this article, he's either an idiot with impulse-control issues, or a provocateur who repeatedly gets himself in trouble to play victim for views. Neither suggests a reliable narra…
It's more established there is a smear campaign against him, with bots and shills trying to smear him as it's pretty hard to refute what he says.
Guy been put through hell, in the new UK where free speech is nonexistent and people are imprisoned for opposing 'the party'.
Mind you, I'm not English nor do I live there, but it's scary seeing what is happening there and how it seems to be spreading
Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hate to defend such a despicable human being, but it’s a legitimate point: Not only does he have a right not to self-incriminate, he also has a right to hide his defense strategy against the crimes with which the state has charged him from the state. (Note that I’m speaking broadly when I say “right,” in the sense that these are human rights that should be universally respected. The UK certainly doesn’t seem to res…
> UK certainly doesn’t seem to respect the right against self-incrimination, given that it charges people with a crime for not allowing a border agent to rifle through their phone You're describing a violation of privacy, possibly privilege, not self-incrimination doctrine. Self incrimination relates to compelled speech [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination
I think it’s reasonable to argue that compelling speech that results in access to otherwise-private information that may be incriminating is _also_ a (potential) violation of self-incrimination.
Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> see the documentary he created, it's eye opening, scary, true How can you trust him given his personal history of violence, fraud and lying? Are his accounts corroborated by someone reputable? From his record on Wikipedia and the facts in this article, he's either an idiot with impulse-control issues, or a provocateur who repeatedly gets himself in trouble to play victim for views. Neither suggests a reliable narra…
It's more established there is a smear campaign against him, with bots and shills trying to smear him as it's pretty hard to refute what he says. Guy been put through hell, in the new UK where free speech is nonexistent and people are imprisoned for opposing 'the party'. Mind you, I'm not English nor do I live there, but it's scary seeing what is happening there and how it seems to be spreading
> more established there is a smear campaign against him
A smear campaign forced him to assault "an off-duty police officer in a drunken argument," "illegally [enter] the United States using a friend's passport," repeatedly violate simple court orders, repeatedly libel people including children and stalk journalists [1]?
> it's pretty hard to refute what he says
I literally asked for reputable corroboration of his accounts.
> the new UK where free speech is nonexistent and people are imprisoned for opposing 'the party'
I'll file this under the category of people whose speech we are discussing because it's available, been amplified and is being reported on yelling into a microphone and/or on TV that they're being silenced. (Reminds me of South Park's "The Worldwide Privacy Tour" [2].)
Looking deeper, the guy is an entertainer. He says provactive stuff--some of it racist, some of it stupid, a little of it true (though never novel)--to an audience that wants to believe it's edgy and oppressed by supporting someone cosplaying a martyr. The role isn't unique to the right or left, but it is the domain of extremists.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson#Early_and_per...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Worldwide_Privacy_Tour