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Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by nine_k »

cosmotic wrote: post #7
teruakohatu wrote: post #2

> At this price point, it’s easy enough to throw one in your basket when you’re already spending a decent chunk of change and be done with it, safe in the knowledge that you have a well-performing boot device. I do still think it’s a bit naff that the M.2 HAT+ doesn’t fit in the official case but I won’t re-open that can of worms. An rpi5 plus M.2 hat plus a branded ssd and you are well into the realm of Intel N100 S…

Power consumption is a good contender for reasons to stick with rpis. The rough, quick search numbers I'm seeing for idle power are ~6w for the N100 SCB and ~1 to 2w for the pi. Max performance is like ~15w to ~4w.

Also, a bunch of GPIO if you want to control some hardware, not just run a Linux desktop or a media server.

Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by nine_k »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #10
cosmotic wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Power consumption is a good contender for reasons to stick with rpis. The rough, quick search numbers I'm seeing for idle power are ~6w for the N100 SCB and ~1 to 2w for the pi. Max performance is like ~15w to ~4w.

How often is that the case? Are you really saving so much more money with a 10W board vs a 15W system to offset the purchasing price?

It's like 1.5x longer run time on battery power :shrug:

Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by Neywiny »

Back in college we used a Pi (not the latest gen because their code was out of date but whatever) and being a local with a car, I volunteered to get them for classmates who couldn't. This was back when you could really only buy them in person or pay a 3-4x markup. Anyway, the prof let us know we'd need a pi, card, maybe a case, and maybe a power supply. A lot of people just wanted everything so they didn't have to worry about it. I think most beginners don't want to deal with this stuff and don't care if it's a marked up Samsung drive or marked up whoever uSD card. And now that I'm in industry, I agree. I wouldn't use a Pi but first party accessories are usually worth it vs the debugging hours to find out you bought garbage.

Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by m463 »

teruakohatu wrote: post #2

> At this price point, it’s easy enough to throw one in your basket when you’re already spending a decent chunk of change and be done with it, safe in the knowledge that you have a well-performing boot device. I do still think it’s a bit naff that the M.2 HAT+ doesn’t fit in the official case but I won’t re-open that can of worms. An rpi5 plus M.2 hat plus a branded ssd and you are well into the realm of Intel N100 S…

I suspect you are describing a large part of consumer behavior.

Someone gets a sporty-car, then starts working on the engine, the suspension, the exhaust, gets new rims and tire, new seats...

and in the end they could have bought a porsche

Thing is, it all depends on your use case.

For the pi, it is lots better for hardware projects than a nuc style machine, via the gpios/csi/dsi. and specialized hats. There is also a huge community of forums/documentation/people to help you do new things, solve problems, get unstuck.

But if you are doing linux PC kinds of things, like a nas or a media server, you need to do the math.

Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by robotnikman »

throwaway19972 wrote: post #8
teruakohatu wrote: post #2

> At this price point, it’s easy enough to throw one in your basket when you’re already spending a decent chunk of change and be done with it, safe in the knowledge that you have a well-performing boot device. I do still think it’s a bit naff that the M.2 HAT+ doesn’t fit in the official case but I won’t re-open that can of worms. An rpi5 plus M.2 hat plus a branded ssd and you are well into the realm of Intel N100 S…

While there is some commercial/industrial use of RPi, that seems like an odd consideration when generally considering how they've positioned the brand. Meanwhile you can write and run very similar code across everything from the zero all the way up to the 5—which is enormous flexibility that x86 simply doesn't offer. Plus, my understanding is that the N100 still tends to have poor driver support issues that the Pi li…

>While there is some commercial/industrial use of RPi

I thought the whole reason for the shortages the last few years was due to commercial applications buying out most of the Pi's available?

Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

nine_k wrote: post #11
cosmotic wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Power consumption is a good contender for reasons to stick with rpis. The rough, quick search numbers I'm seeing for idle power are ~6w for the N100 SCB and ~1 to 2w for the pi. Max performance is like ~15w to ~4w.

Also, a bunch of GPIO if you want to control some hardware, not just run a Linux desktop or a media server.

We are starting to see SBCs that bake in an RP2040 to drive some GPIO pins (without needing to tie up a physical usb port), which seems like a reasonable compromise... I do like the RPi Zero size/perf/price combo, but for anything that needs more horsepower it's hard to argue with the bigger NUC-a-likes.

Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by robjwells »

jsheard wrote: post #6
jmholla wrote: post #5

Does anyone know if these will work with the PoE HATs?

The official NVMe hat blocks access to the PoE header, but there are third party options that combine NVMe and PoE into one hat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ceI0_r_Kg Alternatively you could get one of the NVMe boards that sits under the Pi, and put a standard PoE hat on top.

As an example of the latter, Pimoroni offer an NVMe “base” that would avoid this problem and leave the PoE header free: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/nvme-base?variant=4121958...

Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

teruakohatu wrote: post #2

> At this price point, it’s easy enough to throw one in your basket when you’re already spending a decent chunk of change and be done with it, safe in the knowledge that you have a well-performing boot device. I do still think it’s a bit naff that the M.2 HAT+ doesn’t fit in the official case but I won’t re-open that can of worms. An rpi5 plus M.2 hat plus a branded ssd and you are well into the realm of Intel N100 S…

I started down this thought path and ended up with a pair of reconditioned DL369 G9s.

Re: Official Raspberry Pi NVMe SSD Review

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Post by teruakohatu »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #16
nine_k wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, a bunch of GPIO if you want to control some hardware, not just run a Linux desktop or a media server.

We are starting to see SBCs that bake in an RP2040 to drive some GPIO pins (without needing to tie up a physical usb port), which seems like a reasonable compromise... I do like the RPi Zero size/perf/price combo, but for anything that needs more horsepower it's hard to argue with the bigger NUC-a-likes.

Yes there are N100 SBCs including a RP2040, so best of both worlds.
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