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Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by IntelMiner »

gtsop wrote: post #9
doe_eyes wrote: post #5

I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn't one of them. The situation is pretty clear and calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be th…

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The point is to put soft pressure on a nation across a wide series of avenues to (ideally) enact the desired change

Would you rather we went and ripped the fiber cables out and completely disconnected Russia from the rest of the global internet?

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by bakugo »

fuoqi wrote: post #8

Such hardworking Russian bots, wow. They wrote WHOLE 20+ emails in several hours! Linus just dehumanized everyone who dares to disagree with the change and/or ask about why it was done on the 3rd year of the war (an increasingly common way of dealing with opponents, unfortunately). No one even tries to explain why this "compliance" selectively applies to ru emails (oh, look the maintainer has graduated from the Mosco…

Preaching "racism and xenophobia bad" and then proudly talking about how much you hate everyone of a specific nationality is unfortunately par for the course for modern armchair political activists like Linus. If they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

I want to say I hope he steps down at some point and lets someone more sane manage the project because his tantrums are clearly starting to have serious negative effects on it, but I know better than to not assume whoever would replace him would be even worse.

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by gtsop »

IntelMiner wrote: post #11
gtsop wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The point is to put soft pressure on a nation across a wide series of avenues to (ideally) enact the desired change Would you rather we went and ripped the fiber cables out and completely disconnected Russia from the rest of the global internet?

In what way is that a compliance reason? On what earth are you putting pressure by removing kudos from a list?

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by gtsop »

gtsop wrote: post #9
doe_eyes wrote: post #5

I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn't one of them. The situation is pretty clear and calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be th…

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I guess all the people who downvoted have a based analysis on how removing russians from contribution lists damages the war capacity of Russia and is not categorised under the notion of "propaganda".

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by serf »

gtsop wrote: post #13
IntelMiner wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is to put soft pressure on a nation across a wide series of avenues to (ideally) enact the desired change Would you rather we went and ripped the fiber cables out and completely disconnected Russia from the rest of the global internet?

In what way is that a compliance reason? On what earth are you putting pressure by removing kudos from a list?

you don't see why having the privileges revoked creates pressure?

Well, let me chart it out simply : If you have something you like taken from you, but the captor is deaf to your complaints, you'll complain elsewhere.

The concept here being : If the US state department/BIS/whoever won't consider your plight, maybe your own government will -- and given enough complaints perhaps it will direct their foreign policy to be more in-line with how the rest of the world would like them to play; thus allowing sanctions to be lightened or dropped.

This is essentially the goal behind all sanctioning that isn't directly involved in economic/agricultural/military loss.

The risk , of course, being that it prompts a schism entirely and promotes independence in the sanctioned state, similar to how mcdonalds vs. vkusno & tochka worked out so far.

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by platinumrad »

doe_eyes wrote: post #5

I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn't one of them. The situation is pretty clear and calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be th…

"Calmly explained"? Linus is equating having maintainers from Russia with "supporting Russian aggression".

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by mingus88 »

gtsop wrote: post #13
IntelMiner wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is to put soft pressure on a nation across a wide series of avenues to (ideally) enact the desired change Would you rather we went and ripped the fiber cables out and completely disconnected Russia from the rest of the global internet?

In what way is that a compliance reason? On what earth are you putting pressure by removing kudos from a list?

The west has placed sanctions on Russia. This means western institutions will be penalized for doing business with Russia.

Therefore, removing Russian contributors is how these institutions comply with the sanction.

I’m struggling to understand how this is confusing to you. Sanctions place pressure on rogue governments by limiting access to our markets. We either comply with the sanctions or we get fined or worse.

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by mingus88 »

gtsop wrote: post #14
gtsop wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I guess all the people who downvoted have a based analysis on how removing russians from contribution lists damages the war capacity of Russia and is not categorised under the notion of "propaganda".

Sanctions are an economic tool. They damage the economy, and any impact on the war machine unfold as a consequence of that.

Sanctions are a broad stroke. Nobody is claiming removing contributors from a list is striking a blow against the capacity of the red army. That’s asinine.

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by analognoise »

IntelMiner wrote: post #11
gtsop wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The point is to put soft pressure on a nation across a wide series of avenues to (ideally) enact the desired change Would you rather we went and ripped the fiber cables out and completely disconnected Russia from the rest of the global internet?

Why not both?
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