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Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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Not only is that link really old, the IEEE has their own preprint server now, TechRxiv: https://innovate.ieee.org/techrxiv_launch/ Everybody should use preprint servers, and TechRxiv deserves more love and attention than it gets.

I don't get it. Why use a preprint server associated with publishers, when publishers have the history they have? What's the difference with putting them on e.g. arxiv?

Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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The situation had not improved much for the 10-15 years at least after that post was authored (which is when I was actively publishing).

But - writers could, then, and can now, use the "standard trick" to get past IEEE copyright transfer requirements:

https://academia.stackexchange.com/a/119002/7319

that works for a person who actually holds copyrights and can trasfer them - so that IEEE gets its papers, and eventually the author regains the right to also publish, modify, distribute etc. their paper.

For public domain it could be a bit trickier, and would require looking at the text of the current IEEE forms. I would guess that an appropriate loophole can be found to achieve a similar result.

Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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post #7

Publishing in Academia is a scam. Nowadays everyone puts their papers also on arxiv.org so at least we can read each other's papers for free. While of course still paying the fees to these publishers who are doing nothing but messing up the PDF (I have to fight them to fix the mistakes they add every time a paper is published), while claiming to do a value-add, which happens to add value to nobody but their own pocke…

Sounds like a government

Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last-Modified: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:40:39 GMT

If only browsers cared about making useful infomation available.

Ctrl+i (Firefox)

Not generally useful to show this by default, because nowadays most pages are dynamically generated and although it's technically easy to implement, the last modified header is typically not set to $now.

Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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But publishing a public domain paper with a commercial publisher still makes little sense, unless the paper is also _open access_, for without the latter, the public domain document could still be put behind a pay wall. Just because it is owned by no-body does not create a duty for the publisher to open their paywall (unlike, for instance, the viral clauses of software licenses like FSF's GPL, which include language that actually forces sharing).

Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only browsers cared about making useful infomation available.

Ctrl+i (Firefox) Not generally useful to show this by default, because nowadays most pages are dynamically generated and although it's technically easy to implement, the last modified header is typically not set to $now.

Well, if Browsers would show it more prominently, there were more motivation to think about it for developers.

But Browsers are bad HTTP clients. Think about bad user experience with file uploads (no built in progress report!?), HTTP auth (not showing status, no logout etc.)

Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last-Modified: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:40:39 GMT

If only browsers cared about making useful infomation available.

Last-Modified can have unwanted negative influence on caching behavior. If you want to expose metadata, there's OpenGraph et al. to do the job properly.

Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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post #7

Publishing in Academia is a scam. Nowadays everyone puts their papers also on arxiv.org so at least we can read each other's papers for free. While of course still paying the fees to these publishers who are doing nothing but messing up the PDF (I have to fight them to fix the mistakes they add every time a paper is published), while claiming to do a value-add, which happens to add value to nobody but their own pocke…

> Publishing in Academia is a scam

Using your logic any publishing is a scam including blogging where monetary renumeration does matters [1]

> Nowadays everyone puts their papers also on arxiv.org so at least we can read each other's papers for free

Do you realize that not everyone can get their paper published in Arxiv, it's a free journal masquerading as a pre-print server? [2]

> Of course one has to examine why this system is still in place.

Hmm because it does work albeit the imperfections?

[1] How Do Bloggers Actually Make Money?

https://www.gillianperkins.com/blog/bloggers-actually-make-m...

[2] alphaXiv: Open research discussion on top of arXiv:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41485814

Re: Don't Publish with IEEE (2005)

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post #11

Not only is that link really old, the IEEE has their own preprint server now, TechRxiv: https://innovate.ieee.org/techrxiv_launch/ Everybody should use preprint servers, and TechRxiv deserves more love and attention than it gets.

I don't get it. Why use a preprint server associated with publishers, when publishers have the history they have? What's the difference with putting them on e.g. arxiv?

Arxiv has a narrow focus (only physics) and it's rather difficult to even get permission to publish there in the first place. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory runs BioRxiv and MedRxiv for biology and medicine, respectively, but again there's the issue of focus. Those are the big three. Then IEEE started TechRxiv as a preprint server for tech/engineering, which, given the landscape at the time, was a good move.
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