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Secret 3D scans in the French Supreme Court

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Re: Secret 3D scans in the French Supreme Court

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Post by BlueTemplar »

mmooss wrote: post #9

Anyone in the world with an internet connection can view, interact with, and download the British Museum’s 3D scan of the Rosetta Stone, for example. The public can freely access hundreds of scans of classical sculpture from the National Gallery of Denmark, and visitors to the Smithsonian’s website can view, navigate, and freely download thousands of high-quality scans of artifacts ranging from dinosaur fossils to th…

Potentially cooler than The Teapot, though there are also other considerations I guess...

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Post by glimshe »

What I feel about this is similar to what I feel about government-sponsored research institutes and universities not releasing their research to the public...

If you get money from the government, society is paying for your work so it's entitled to it.

Oh, you want to keep the data for yourself? DON'T ask or accept money from us the people.

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Post by frereubu »

Jyaif wrote: post #7

> in private, RMN admits it won’t release its scans because it wants to protect its gift shops’ sales revenue from competition from the public making their own replicas. Sounds like a pretty good reason

Understandable perhaps, "good" enough to completely ignore copyright law, no.

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Post by jimmySixDOF »

There was an interesting project from the Natural History Museum using a syncatron particle accelerator to 3d scan some part their the famous 300 year old insect collection and make it openly available but that announcement was 2021 and I can't seem to find the results let alone see if they were released to the public.

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2021/july/high-resolutio...

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Post by tupshin »

Jyaif wrote: post #7

> in private, RMN admits it won’t release its scans because it wants to protect its gift shops’ sales revenue from competition from the public making their own replicas. Sounds like a pretty good reason

The article is long, but from TFA

The court ruled that the museum’s revenue, business model, and supposed threats from competition and counterfeiting are irrelevant to the public’s right to access its scans, a dramatic rejection of the museum’s position...

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Post by foobar1962 »

jimmySixDOF wrote: post #14

There was an interesting project from the Natural History Museum using a syncatron particle accelerator to 3d scan some part their the famous 300 year old insect collection and make it openly available but that announcement was 2021 and I can't seem to find the results let alone see if they were released to the public. https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2021/july/high-resolutio...

Maybe the delay has been caused by bugs.

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Post by falcor84 »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #10
praptak wrote: post #6

I am okay with public information being free to use commercially, with a huge disclaimer though. Wherever copyright is applicable, the public should retain it, that's what public domain is for. Any derived works, commercial or otherwise should also be in the public domain. If you fight for "public access" so that you can make your own stuff locked behind a copyright, then you are the hypocrite here.

There's nothing to "retain" once copyright is over (aside from moral rights, which are forever... which I guess becomes questionable after the death of the author ? But moral rights are not transferrable anyway). Instead for calling to basically blow up the whole legal framework around derivative works, maybe we should focus on bringing copyright terms back to more sane durations (like the original 14 years, renewabl…

I like the idea of having copyrights renewable indefinitely, but with the holders having to pay exponentially larger sums.

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glimshe wrote: post #12

What I feel about this is similar to what I feel about government-sponsored research institutes and universities not releasing their research to the public... If you get money from the government, society is paying for your work so it's entitled to it. Oh, you want to keep the data for yourself? DON'T ask or accept money from us the people.

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kranke155 wrote: post #5

"In response to the museum’s nonsensical technological claims, we submitted expert testimony from Professor Michael Kazhdan, full professor of computer graphics in the department of computer science at Johns Hopkins University and co-developer of the Poisson Surface Reconstruction algorithm, which is used worldwide in 3D scan data analysis. Professor Kazhdan explained to the court that documents in plaintext format a…

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Re: Secret 3D scans in the French Supreme Court

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Post by thaumasiotes »

frereubu wrote: post #13
Jyaif wrote: post #7

> in private, RMN admits it won’t release its scans because it wants to protect its gift shops’ sales revenue from competition from the public making their own replicas. Sounds like a pretty good reason

Understandable perhaps, "good" enough to completely ignore copyright law, no.

What copyright law? If I possess an out-of-copyright document, nothing requires me to make a copy for you when you ask me.

They're ignoring the French freedom-of-information law; copyright law doesn't even touch the issue.

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