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MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification.

In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war.

Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet altruistic, self-interests happening to coincidentally collude in similar, yet distinctly more complicated cases of creating monopolies spanning multiple domains.

The internet was captured, gamified, commoditized, and vertically integrated into a handful of giga-Corps.

your mobile devices are essentially tracking devices you are addicted to, and the government is too interested in these shiny grandiose things and their use in facilitating government functions without any real consequence, they fail to see the systematic risks that they themselves have allowed to proliferate by not enforcing stricter laws for systematically - exploitable intersections of law, technology, and business.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t think of anything I want less from a laptop than it playing sound when I open it… and yet apple bring it to me as though it’s a feature.

That’s an unfair characterisation. It’s just restoring windows, some of which happen to be browser windows, which then load a website with auto-playing video or audio that (unsurprisingly) starts playing. No one is selling it as a feature to “play sound when waking up from sleep”. I bet that if you configured the browser to never auto-play, this wouldn’t happen. To clarify, because commenters seem to be misunderstand…

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t think of anything I want less from a laptop than it playing sound when I open it… and yet apple bring it to me as though it’s a feature.

macOS sends a "pause" signal to all players when it sleeps, and any application which can handle that won't be playing any audio when the system wakes up. So if your audio continues the moment you open the lid, please file a bug report for that application.

GP wrote nothing about sleep.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer.

...a toy OS which becomes invisible most of the time for serious users indeed.

I prefer Linux over anything else, but let's be real.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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macOS sends a "pause" signal to all players when it sleeps, and any application which can handle that won't be playing any audio when the system wakes up. So if your audio continues the moment you open the lid, please file a bug report for that application.

GP wrote nothing about sleep.

macOS sleeps the moment you close the lid, and wakes the moment you raise it a little. It's instantaneous, esp. ARM powered ones.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

I have never heard of anyone with this issue. The only explanation is that you restarted whilst having the "Open All Previous Application" checkbox enabled. And yes it will launch processes after you have logged in but before the Desktop is shown. Either that you or you have some launch daemon that is opening a browser.

I've had similar experiences with MacOS. I uncheck that goddamn box all the time and still it relaunches previously opened applications half the time. If my application or computer crashes, I don't want the crashy application to open up at startup again. MacOS isn't perfect.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP wrote nothing about sleep.

macOS sleeps the moment you close the lid, and wakes the moment you raise it a little. It's instantaneous, esp. ARM powered ones.

Sorry, mistook which post you were replying to.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

How is this possible? I wouldn’t have thought that it could open your applications without you logging in? How does it know who you are? How does it know which applications to open? If you’re not logged in yet, is is just logging in for you automatically but not showing you?

Seems like a huge security bug. This isn’t being exploited? Wild stuff.

Reminds me of when you could hear a FaceTime call coming through but if you chose not to answer it, no worries! Your iPhone will turn on your camera anyway! And send your video to the calling party!

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t think of anything I want less from a laptop than it playing sound when I open it… and yet apple bring it to me as though it’s a feature.

That’s an unfair characterisation. It’s just restoring windows, some of which happen to be browser windows, which then load a website with auto-playing video or audio that (unsurprisingly) starts playing. No one is selling it as a feature to “play sound when waking up from sleep”. I bet that if you configured the browser to never auto-play, this wouldn’t happen. To clarify, because commenters seem to be misunderstand…

Does it matter if the end result is that the browser plays audio before you've authenticated your user session?
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