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Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus
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Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus
#12I'm starting to hate Apple more and more. Apple: Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition? I think it may be time for high profile developers to boycott Apple till they stop acting like this.
So boycott Apple and do what. Jump over to Android ?
Would that be the same Android platform that has the main OEMs (Samsung, HTC, Google) under FTC/EU investigation for anti competitive behaviour due to FRAND abuses. Abuses which undermine the entire foundation of key IT/CE standards.
The fact is that nobody's hands are clean. It's a bloody mess that is only going to get worse.
Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus
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Of course it is. Apple can't get back lost sales and revenue as a result of patent infringement by their direct competitor.
You don't know anything about the law, but you felt you had to chime in, huh? >Apple can't get back lost sales and revenue Unless Samsung was, you know, required to write them a check. For damages. If they lost. Which is how such cases usually proceed.
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You don't know anything about the law, but you felt you had to chime in, huh? >Apple can't get back lost sales and revenue Unless Samsung was, you know, required to write them a check. For damages. If they lost. Which is how such cases usually proceed.
Sure. If you naively assume that lost sales/revenue is just for the iPhone device itself. But every lost sale of an iPhone is also one less person within the ecosystem. An ecosystem that plays off each of its elements to drive revenue e.g. iPhone user buys movies which they can only watch if they buy an AppleTV etc. It's borderline impossible to quantify all of the indirect revenue Apple would lose not just now but i…
Following from that logic, what about the harm that Apple is doing to the Android ecosystem by preventing the sale of these phones when they are supposed to be sold? If Apple can't prove what it claims, then what of the phones that are not sold in the meantime? Is that equivalent to the value of the bond? Where does that money go?
Disclaimer: I am in no way a lawyer, but I think my familiarity with law is about the same as the familiarity of the judge with technology.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't know anything about the law, but you felt you had to chime in, huh? >Apple can't get back lost sales and revenue Unless Samsung was, you know, required to write them a check. For damages. If they lost. Which is how such cases usually proceed.
Sure. If you naively assume that lost sales/revenue is just for the iPhone device itself. But every lost sale of an iPhone is also one less person within the ecosystem. An ecosystem that plays off each of its elements to drive revenue e.g. iPhone user buys movies which they can only watch if they buy an AppleTV etc. It's borderline impossible to quantify all of the indirect revenue Apple would lose not just now but i…
How is it borderline impossible?
There's a technique pretty much every company that knows what's it doing applies to figure out exactly what you mentioned and it's called downstream impact analysis.
I'm absolutely 100% certain if you're an executive at Apple and you ask your finance department what the downstream impact is of an iPhone sale the finance department will come back with numbers for the profit variance when the customer wasn't already a customer, when they already were and a bunch of other scenarios.
Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus
#17I'm starting to hate Apple more and more. Apple: Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition? I think it may be time for high profile developers to boycott Apple till they stop acting like this.
So boycott Apple and do what. Jump over to Android ? Would that be the same Android platform that has the main OEMs (Samsung, HTC, Google) under FTC/EU investigation for anti competitive behaviour due to FRAND abuses. Abuses which undermine the entire foundation of key IT/CE standards. The fact is that nobody's hands are clean. It's a bloody mess that is only going to get worse.
Hard to feel sorry for "abuses" against the initial aggressors.
Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus
#18I'm starting to hate Apple more and more. Apple: Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition? I think it may be time for high profile developers to boycott Apple till they stop acting like this.
Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition?
Let’s say I invent and patent carbon fibre and start making bicycles out of it. My bicycles are vastly superior to lightweight steel, aluminium, and scandium framed models on the market.
Are my products terrible? Obviously not!
Now my competitors rush out to make carbon fibre bicycles of their own. I sue. Am I saying that my products are terrible and can’t compete? No, I’m saying my products are excellent and can easily compete against my competitors’ actual products.
But obviously I’m going to be less successful competing against my own product and my own inventions, which is what happens when my competitors simply copy my ideas.
This specific case is one where Apple alleges it is competing against its own innovations. It’s fair to argue that the competition didn’t copy them. But if we accept the court’s ruling that the competing products are infringing on Apple’s patents, then Apple is not making “terrible” products that can’t compete against its competition, Apple is making excellent products that are obviously going to be less successful competing against itself.
Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus
#19I'm starting to hate Apple more and more. Apple: Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition? I think it may be time for high profile developers to boycott Apple till they stop acting like this.
So boycott Apple and do what. Jump over to Android ? Would that be the same Android platform that has the main OEMs (Samsung, HTC, Google) under FTC/EU investigation for anti competitive behaviour due to FRAND abuses. Abuses which undermine the entire foundation of key IT/CE standards. The fact is that nobody's hands are clean. It's a bloody mess that is only going to get worse.
Florian, is that you?
Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. If you naively assume that lost sales/revenue is just for the iPhone device itself. But every lost sale of an iPhone is also one less person within the ecosystem. An ecosystem that plays off each of its elements to drive revenue e.g. iPhone user buys movies which they can only watch if they buy an AppleTV etc. It's borderline impossible to quantify all of the indirect revenue Apple would lose not just now but i…
Following from that logic, what about the harm that Apple is doing to the Android ecosystem by preventing the sale of these phones when they are supposed to be sold? If Apple can't prove what it claims, then what of the phones that are not sold in the meantime? Is that equivalent to the value of the bond? Where does that money go? Disclaimer: I am in no way a lawyer, but I think my familiarity with law is about the s…
Samsung derived the bond amount which did seem awfully low at $96 million.