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End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by stavros »

quantadev wrote: post #9

Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon, Google, or some other service, and then have the rug pulled. Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. My rule of thumb is: Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux. So that way I maintain full control over my stack,…

Some of these wagons only managed to move because they were hitched to someone else's horse.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by dewey »

quantadev wrote: post #9

Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon, Google, or some other service, and then have the rug pulled. Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. My rule of thumb is: Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux. So that way I maintain full control over my stack,…

That sounds great, but also for an app that interacts with > 10 services and companies it's not really a good advice.

> Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux

Most people don't have the luxury of never having to interact with Google Drive, MS Teams, Slack etc.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by dewey »

teruakohatu wrote: post #6

I am not sure smaller devs were given the option of self-scanning code. I always wondered what the point of that was, given that there is no way for Google to ensure that the scanned code was the version distributed, and even then, as soon as a minor update was released it would have been out of date.

Because they don't care about security, it's compliance-checkbox-driven policies.

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Post by kyleee »

dewey wrote: post #10

Even the "audit" they require for increasing something simple as your YouTube API quota is already annoying and a massive waste of time, and this is not even close to the one they are requiring from Panic. The quota increase process is roughly: 1) Fill out the same form every year from scratch 2) Send it into the black hole that's Google "support" 3) A few weeks later receive a reply from someone asking a irrelevant…

The process is the punishment

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by addisonj »

Man... this stuff sucks. If I were panic, I would do the same... but I also wouldn't want to be the one at google to navigate this.

With Google Drive now being at the center of so many companies for storing business data, I am certain it is a juicy target, and third party access with full access to read and write to that big hard drive full of proprietary data is one that I would understand want to lock down... but not like this?

I don't think the market is anywhere near to shifting where business are going to dump google drive en masse, but as the ecosystem shrinks because so few companies can afford the cost to play in google's backyard, it does make me wonder how many companies are going to absolutely resent google, comparable to the way they resented oracle.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by resters »

I think if there is one "value" that stands out from Google's culture (as it is reflected onto its customers) it is tremendous lack of empathy.

- Google maps appears to be designed by non-drivers. Much of hte time it is impossible to find out the name of cross streets near one's location by zooming in. Pins get added accidentally and are hard to categorize and find, there is no notion of neighborhoods, and the voice directions say the same redundant thing over and over (and it is often misleading). No intelligent person could design the product that way if they actually used it.

- Google's parental control features in android lack granularity, and the bias is toward kids watching garbage content as there is no way to share curated lists or for creators to become curators of high quality youtube content, etc. For anyone with young kids this is a must have feature and Google has ignored this kind of thing for years. Also if your kid's phone dies there is no way to remove it from the FamilyLink app! Someone really tested it thoroughly!

- Google Home / Nest. Exceptionally buggy devices. Basic functionality like shared speakers (all Nest over Nest wifi) are buggy and slow. "Hey Google" takes an extra few seconds to respond compared to Alexa and none of it is compatible with Google Advanced Security (Google's own feature!). Nobody building this tech is using it at home or else they would be furious about these big oversights.

- Gemini in Gmail is a total dud. It can't tell me what upcoming events are listed in my email inbox. It biases toward searching the inbox, and GMail inbox search has been highly broken for years. I participated in a user study at Google a while back and the PM admitted it was broken and would not be fixed.

Google is now a cash cow advertising business and thanks to Eric Schmidt (a brilliant but morally lacking individual) it has become a major defense contractor.

Thanks to OpenAI and others, Google search is already dead. The market hasn't caught up with this yet. I sincerely regret making gmail my main email, as the company seems to have completely lost its way. In spite of a lot of brilliance the lack of empathy with users and the need to deliver products that solve problems continues to persist.

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Post by akira2501 »

fidotron wrote: post #7

There is a clear subtext to this and the Play Store changes: everyone interacting with the Google ecosystem is going to be pinned down and deanonymized with rights assigned based on legal identities. This will be done in the name of security. There is no freedom in who you trust here. The big question here is if all this was preemptive or the response to something.

All monopolies do this. Once they're past the point where the government can effectively regulate them they essentially take over and regulate the market for their own interests. Google is very good at this. They're probably better at this than actually writing code these days.

Which is why anyone and everyone should flat out avoid them as a company.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by mullingitover »

quantadev wrote: post #9

Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon, Google, or some other service, and then have the rug pulled. Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. My rule of thumb is: Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux. So that way I maintain full control over my stack,…

> Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints.

Ok, I'll ask: what company did Amazon destroy for having the wrong political viewpoint?

AWS hosts some pretty vile stuff without blinking. The last time a company made a big "woe is me, my ideas are being suppressed" claim against Amazon, it was Parler, and they weren't kicked off for their viewpoints. They were kicked off for operating a crime-ridden site with zero effective moderation.

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