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Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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Interesting the Mozilla board interpreted "ease off the Google reliance money" to mean "become Google"

The core of the problem is really in this very paragraph:

> Right now, the tradeoffs people are asked to make online are too significant. Yes, advertising enables free access to most of what the internet provides, but the lack of practical control we all have over how our data is collected and shared is unacceptable. And solutions to this problem that simply rely on handing more of our data to a few gigantic private companies are not really solutions that help the people who use the internet, at all.

There is no solution to this. You can't advertise effectively and profitably without personal information. No matter how much you try to chop up and anonymize data, it's still personal and even in the absence of information you can wind up collecting a lot of data about someone (as browser fingerprinting does often times). The more information you have, the more is paid. Not even Apple avoids this, despite their privacy claims, and they too see there's far more money to be made as an ad network than letting Google gobble up the space.

But as much as I personally dislike this, my guess will be that this is the most successful (financially) change Mozilla enacts.

Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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It’s too bad they can’t raise enough from donations to avoid this downward spiral.

They most likely had plenty. Instead of leading Mozilla down a couple highly-focused paths, their leadership decided to take every single path, including social issues and more that have nothing to do with technology, web browsers, or the things that make Mozilla money. The worst part is, they half-assed almost all of those distractions too. Today, Mozilla is kind of like those Hollywood Actor memes - doesn't know wh…

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Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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Interesting the Mozilla board interpreted "ease off the Google reliance money" to mean "become Google" The core of the problem is really in this very paragraph: > Right now, the tradeoffs people are asked to make online are too significant. Yes, advertising enables free access to most of what the internet provides, but the lack of practical control we all have over how our data is collected and shared is unacceptable…

I worry that this accepts the premise/the marketing spiel big advertisement is selling.

We can't really test the alternatives effectively, without getting an adequate mass of ad buyers and ad sellers to be willing to try un-/less- targeted.

Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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That's all flowery happy-talk, but lurking in the background is the reality that Firefox's main revenue source (Google) is clearly going away and they need to replace it. It seems they've decided to replace it with advertising and everything else is them trying to justify that decision in noble terms. > we do this fully acknowledging our expanded focus on online advertising won’t be embraced by everyone in our commun…

I'll acknowledge they're in a tough spot when the CEO isn't taking home a 7 figure salary. What I think is going to end up happening instead is that they're going to run off their base of power users once a good not-Chromium alternative appears, and by then it'll be too late for them to recover.

Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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It’s too bad they can’t raise enough from donations to avoid this downward spiral.

They don't even try to raise donations to support Firefox. As near as I can tell, there's no way to donate if you want to.

Nor do they look for government grants, which I think is part of how LibreOffice gets funded.

I think it's irresponsible for a government to expect its citizens to use a web interface when it doesn't officially support any browser which isn't a user-tracking advertising platform.

Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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Interesting the Mozilla board interpreted "ease off the Google reliance money" to mean "become Google" The core of the problem is really in this very paragraph: > Right now, the tradeoffs people are asked to make online are too significant. Yes, advertising enables free access to most of what the internet provides, but the lack of practical control we all have over how our data is collected and shared is unacceptable…

It used to be completely normal, and profitable, to effectively advertise without personal information. The idea that this is now required for advertising is just wrong, and shouldn't be accepted as such

Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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Ladybird can't happen soon enough. I've been a ff advocate for many, many years and it pains me to say this, but I've had enough now. I don't want my browser to be made by an advertising company. I wish Mozilla the best. It would be great if they could be successful in advocating for web ads that consist of, say, a jpeg and an href, but I don't think that's ever going to happen.

What about the browser in Linux named Epiphany or sometimes Web? Was installed on a Phosh device of mine and seems ok.

Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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post #16

Interesting the Mozilla board interpreted "ease off the Google reliance money" to mean "become Google" The core of the problem is really in this very paragraph: > Right now, the tradeoffs people are asked to make online are too significant. Yes, advertising enables free access to most of what the internet provides, but the lack of practical control we all have over how our data is collected and shared is unacceptable…

It used to be completely normal, and profitable, to effectively advertise without personal information. The idea that this is now required for advertising is just wrong, and shouldn't be accepted as such

> The idea that this is now required for advertising is just wrong, and shouldn't be accepted as such

Then people complain about seeing diaper ads when they don't even have a baby.

Some extremist will come along and assert that just means we shouldn't allow advertising at all...

Re: Mozilla becoming active in online advertising

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Great... So build an incompatible advertising technology solution on a minority platform (Firefox) that's inferior for advertisers (less juicy data) and not in-line with Google's strategy, and then for some bizarre reason the advertisers will come flocking to it and help the magical fairies at Mozilla "build a better internet"?

Just how stupid do they think we are?

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