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I’ve been reading that the same thing has happened to indie hackers.
Key points: 1. There are many to launch but most of the sites don’t have the community or credibility that PH seems to have lost. 2. If you want what PH was 3-4 years ago you have to go somewhere else. 3. If you want to build the new Product Hunt you can’t just create a site where people can submit their product and launch. You need affordances that cultivate community. 4. Once you get traction you should expect some…
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Product Hunt's value proposition since the beginning was to launder credibility from "friends"/VCs promoting apps without having to disclose conflicts of interests. It never was fair to indie creators and able to fulfill its stated purpose of surfacing the best products.
This is based on a very misleading typo. On Sept 25, Jason tweeted that the CTO (not CEO, as this article states) didn't know who levelsio is. In October, the CEO wrote about levelsio, so he does indeed know who he is. ( https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rajiv-ayyangar_why-doesnt-pro... ) Assuming it's true, I don't know if the CTO really needs to know who levelsio is. The CEO does, but does the CTO?
I made a mistake, it will be corrected asap. Thanks for the heads up.
Like, don't you think the head of growth might have an incentive to cause the issues you're mentioning? Doesn't the CEO implying the story isn't true give you pause?
Did you look at the head of growth's LinkedIn? Did nothing about their resume (which I won't post here) give you pause before writing a whole post?
I agree Product Hunt is different than it was years ago. So is the entire startup ecosystem. But this article just came off as sour grapes, where you cherry-picked stories to try to make an argument.
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I made a mistake, it will be corrected asap. Thanks for the heads up.
Doesn't it undermine your whole point, though? Your most damning point was at best a typo and at worst a fictional story. Like, don't you think the head of growth might have an incentive to cause the issues you're mentioning? Doesn't the CEO implying the story isn't true give you pause? Did you look at the head of growth's LinkedIn? Did nothing about their resume (which I won't post here) give you pause before writin…
Maybe I should have shared in the article all the twitter posts where indie hackers are upset how they are getting screwed and how hard it is to get ranked on PH. There is a lot more drama surrounding PH than just the CTO not knowing one well known community member.
It’s never made sense that PH shows only a selection of the launches and you need to click to see them all … that’s fundamentally unfair.
Also, there should be no new launches to be added to the list - it should accumulate launches for the past 24 hours hidden and then launch them all simultaneously - the time that a product as added to the list in the past 24 hours should not be a factor in how many upvotes it gets. Related, it should not be important to launch at 12:00PM pacific time or whatever it is - makes no sense.
Maybe there should be AI trained to categorise and tag them such that you can filter out all those that you are not interested in, such as #HTMLtemplates or #crypto or #AI
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Doesn't it undermine your whole point, though? Your most damning point was at best a typo and at worst a fictional story. Like, don't you think the head of growth might have an incentive to cause the issues you're mentioning? Doesn't the CEO implying the story isn't true give you pause? Did you look at the head of growth's LinkedIn? Did nothing about their resume (which I won't post here) give you pause before writin…
Are you saying that the one letter typo on the one of my many points surrounding the drama at Product Hunt discredit the whole thing? No I do not. Maybe I should have shared in the article all the twitter posts where indie hackers are upset how they are getting screwed and how hard it is to get ranked on PH. There is a lot more drama surrounding PH than just the CTO not knowing one well known community member.
If you have a better post, I'd love to read it and I'm sure others here would too. But until I see that, I can only go off the words you've written.
One: "VC backed companies have the funds to be able to boost their launch on PH to guarantee their launch will be in the top 5." - absolutely not. We do not tolerate paying for votes or other means of artificially boosting score.
Two: "its going to be a lot harder for you, the side hustler, the soloprenuer, the full time bootstrapper" - It's true that the bar is higher, but it's because The Market is more competitive. It was a personal goal of mine when I stepped in a year ago to make Product Hunt into a place where you can launch your side projects and they can rise to the top. To do that, we need to reduce the noise a bit and ensure that community and organic signal are balanced. This is difficult, but we're working on it. For example, Chris Van Pelt's side project OpenUI (open source v0) was #2 of the day a little while ago - hunted by a friend without any launch prep.
Product Hunt changed my life - I launched a side project that got tons of traction and it caused me and my friends to jump in full-time and start a company. I want to make Product Hunt an even stronger force for changing lives than it's been in the past, but that requires evolving the platform for the market in 2024.
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Are you saying that the one letter typo on the one of my many points surrounding the drama at Product Hunt discredit the whole thing? No I do not. Maybe I should have shared in the article all the twitter posts where indie hackers are upset how they are getting screwed and how hard it is to get ranked on PH. There is a lot more drama surrounding PH than just the CTO not knowing one well known community member.
Great, but you didn't share those. If you have a better post, I'd love to read it and I'm sure others here would too. But until I see that, I can only go off the words you've written.
here's a couple of twitter feeds that center on the drama related to product hunt;
https://x.com/WhoWorksThere/status/1840822087868375085
https://x.com/csallen/status/1840792433447391560
https://x.com/HeyImYossi/status/1840634391040577847
theres a lot more in my feed and the people I follow this could be an all day thing but I hope this supports the headline of my post.