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Comedy Theory (2022)

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Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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Now explain why some jokes following this formula are hilarious but most are painfully unfunny. This would seem to be the hard part.

> I’m awful at jogging. I run slower than Windows 95.

Yeah you have definitely cracked the secret to comedy.

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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I've yet to see a theory of comedy which actually addresses that there are multiple kinds of comedy: - Bullying, where the joke is not particularly funny, but instead relies on attacking someone's status in front of a crowd. The crowd laughs in recognition of the successful attack, not because the joke is clever. - Epiphany humor -- the joke relies on some new thought, connection, or idea, and the "joke" is the leap…

The most comprehensive theory I have seen is that laughter, and therefore humor, is primarily a fear response.

It starts as an infant when you laugh by having your surface nerves rapidly engaged through tickling. Even peakaboo is a fear game due to the child’s lack of object permanence.

When you examine all funny things through the lens of fear, it becomes an interesting logic exercise to draw a connection between the humor you see and how it may or may not be connected to fear.

Consider all of your examples through that lens.

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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I've yet to see a theory of comedy which actually addresses that there are multiple kinds of comedy: - Bullying, where the joke is not particularly funny, but instead relies on attacking someone's status in front of a crowd. The crowd laughs in recognition of the successful attack, not because the joke is clever. - Epiphany humor -- the joke relies on some new thought, connection, or idea, and the "joke" is the leap…

The most comprehensive theory I have seen is that laughter, and therefore humor, is primarily a fear response. It starts as an infant when you laugh by having your surface nerves rapidly engaged through tickling. Even peakaboo is a fear game due to the child’s lack of object permanence. When you examine all funny things through the lens of fear, it becomes an interesting logic exercise to draw a connection between th…

This is a very interesting way of putting it.

The way I’ve explained it is “unserious surprise” which also fits with this.

https://emnudge.dev/blog/a-grand-theory-of-humor/

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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I've yet to see a theory of comedy which actually addresses that there are multiple kinds of comedy: - Bullying, where the joke is not particularly funny, but instead relies on attacking someone's status in front of a crowd. The crowd laughs in recognition of the successful attack, not because the joke is clever. - Epiphany humor -- the joke relies on some new thought, connection, or idea, and the "joke" is the leap…

The most comprehensive theory I have seen is that laughter, and therefore humor, is primarily a fear response. It starts as an infant when you laugh by having your surface nerves rapidly engaged through tickling. Even peakaboo is a fear game due to the child’s lack of object permanence. When you examine all funny things through the lens of fear, it becomes an interesting logic exercise to draw a connection between th…

I’ve had some thoughts in that direction.

Super interesting!

I thought about it for jokes, as the reaction is quick (just system 1 and very maybe for more complex jokes it’s system 2 understanding the joke and then system 1 laughing… but then it might not spontenous enough to lough out loud), didn’t though about that for “all funny things”.

Do you have some sources detailng this more?

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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Now explain why some jokes following this formula are hilarious but most are painfully unfunny. This would seem to be the hard part. > I’m awful at jogging. I run slower than Windows 95. Yeah you have definitely cracked the secret to comedy.

Windows 95's start menu was drastically faster than Windows 10's with its default settings. Things like that mean the joke just results in thoughts like "By what metric?" and "Was Windows 95 ever considered famously slow?"

Or is the point that the reference doesn't need to be accurate but just has to catch a general vibe of "old = slow"

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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Is there a theory of humor which explains why theories of humor are invariably hilariously inadaquate?

Some activities are highly theoretical: you learn the principles of operation, and maybe how they break down into elements, practice briefly, and then execute at a high level.

Other activities are highly practical: you can learn the theory via a brief rundown, but executing at a high level takes years to decades of practice.

My theory of theory of humour is that humour is in the latter category.

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most comprehensive theory I have seen is that laughter, and therefore humor, is primarily a fear response. It starts as an infant when you laugh by having your surface nerves rapidly engaged through tickling. Even peakaboo is a fear game due to the child’s lack of object permanence. When you examine all funny things through the lens of fear, it becomes an interesting logic exercise to draw a connection between th…

I’ve had some thoughts in that direction. Super interesting! I thought about it for jokes, as the reaction is quick (just system 1 and very maybe for more complex jokes it’s system 2 understanding the joke and then system 1 laughing… but then it might not spontenous enough to lough out loud), didn’t though about that for “all funny things”. Do you have some sources detailng this more?

Oh I couldn’t tell you the original source, it was well over a decade ago that I first heard it. Briefly searching though gave some interesting results.

Here’s a study that identified an unintended consequence of an antismoking fear campaign:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844502/

Here’s a study that looks at this relationship from a therapeutic perspective:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38840335/

And of course dozens of blog posts exist trying to explain it in a more accessible way.

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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The theory presented in this article was articulated in Arthur Koestler's "The Act of Creation", where he goes on to speculate that all creativity works in this way. It's well worth a read.

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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I like the theory that jokes are funny to the extent they enable a discovery of 'shared knowledge' between the teller and audience.

I'll provide a light bulb joke as an example...

Q: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb? A: That's not funny.

Re: Comedy Theory (2022)

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post #6

This is exclusively the most primitive joke category base on double meanings. The jokes listed are boring and maybe suited for fillers in a standup routine. Due to the title I presume that this is another pro-"AI" article that devalues human ingenuity. Well, enjoy the non-funny jokes. I'll stick to pre-2022 material.

The jokes in the article are just there to demonstrate the pattern. There are lots of more sophisticated jokes which clearly follow the same pattern. For example Milton Jones' classic (which won "best joke" at the edinburgh comedy festival I believe)

   I come from a long line of police marksmen. Apart from my grandfather, who was a bank robber.  But he died recently..... surrounded by his family.
More Milton Jones "grandfather" jokes which all clearly demonstrate this pattern: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEUfbSrpsHk
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