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Apple Gets EU Warning to Open Up iPhone Operating System
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That's difficult, without openness or protectionism. How do you compete with iOS without supporting iOS apps, iCloud, and iMessage blue bubbles? The switching costs (practical, and psychological) are too high.
"How do you compete with iOS without supporting iOS apps, iCloud, and iMessage blue bubbles?" You build good alternatives for each of those.
That rarely works with monopolies.
Ask Microsoft, who tried developing Windows Mobile after the market was taken over by iOS and Android. Or who still tries competing with Chrome without much success, despite it being pushed on Windows as the default, with annoying settings and ads included. Nevermind that they gave up developing their own engine because they couldn't keep up.
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Android competes very healthily with Apple in the EU! Android is at nearly 70% OS market share: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe/ [I say this as a keen iOS user]
Android isn't competing with iOS. Apple users stay Apple users, mostly, and Android users stay Android users. Android manufacturers are competing with each other, but iPhones are their own thing.
I'm an "Apple user" that switched from iPhone/iPad/Apple Watch to Android alternatives; while remaining a happy user of Macbooks.
The statement doesn't make sense because people don't keep 2 phones in their pocket, or 2 smart watches, and rarely have 2 tablets that are actively used. And people definitely move between ecosystems. Choosing one excludes the other, and they have equivalents for each product type.
Hence they are direct competitors.
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The real problem is that the mobile OS & app store market is a stable duopoly.
Re: Apple Gets EU Warning to Open Up iPhone Operating System
#14This seems like such a gross overstep by the EU. What's next, they push for macOS being installable on every PC? With regard to the idea that Apple should stop selling iOS devices in the EU: https://daringfireball.net/2024/03/eu_share_of_apples_revenu...
Is this Poe's law? That does sound like a very reasonable requirement (albeit perhaps relatively low priority).
To be clear, I would love to be able to install macOS on any PC. As a former Mackintosh user, I'm not excited about drivers, but I'd love to see it nonetheless.
But pushing Apple to make iOS available on other phone hardware is a massive undertaking. iOS is developed for a very constrained hardware set. When you move away from that and the optimizations thereof, what's left? It's a major distraction, you'll either get a much worse experience on other hardware, or the general polish and performance of iOS takes a nose dive. I don't see why Apple would spend the money to support this the way it would need to be supported rather than leave.
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#15Finally someone is doing something about Apple's abusive practices.
The support of abusive monopolistic practices around here is something else though. Temporarily-embarrassed-tech-billionaire syndrome is the only explanation.
Re: Apple Gets EU Warning to Open Up iPhone Operating System
#16I'd like to see Apple hold back more of its technology from EU users, in order that we can finally get some political pressure on the EU and their innovation-stifling over-regulation. We're already likely to see hold-back with Apple Intelligence. But will it be enough for citizens to pressure lawmakers? Due to the process of law-making in the EU it's very hard for citizens to exert their will on lawmakers. In the EU,…
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Re: Apple Gets EU Warning to Open Up iPhone Operating System
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Is this Poe's law? That does sound like a very reasonable requirement (albeit perhaps relatively low priority).
To be clear, I would love to be able to install macOS on any PC. As a former Mackintosh user, I'm not excited about drivers, but I'd love to see it nonetheless. But pushing Apple to make iOS available on other phone hardware is a massive undertaking. iOS is developed for a very constrained hardware set. When you move away from that and the optimizations thereof, what's left? It's a major distraction, you'll either ge…
> But pushing Apple to make iOS available on other phone hardware
Wait where are you getting this from?
> While the announcement is a step shy of being a formal investigation, the EU aims to compel Apple to re-engineer its services to allow rival companies to access the iPhone’s operating system. One of the aims of the DMA is to ensure that other developers can gain access to key iPhone features, such as its Siri voice commands and its payments chip.
It sounds more like pushing Apple to open some APIs and allow for some more integrations, which seems much more reasonable than your interpretation.
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#18Finally someone is doing something about Apple's abusive practices. The support of abusive monopolistic practices around here is something else though. Temporarily-embarrassed-tech-billionaire syndrome is the only explanation.
> Apple's abusive practices
which abusive practices are you referring to?
Re: Apple Gets EU Warning to Open Up iPhone Operating System
#19Finally someone is doing something about Apple's abusive practices. The support of abusive monopolistic practices around here is something else though. Temporarily-embarrassed-tech-billionaire syndrome is the only explanation.
> Apple's abusive practices which abusive practices are you referring to?
Locking down access to NFC to smother competition to Apple Pay comes to mind.
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To be clear, I would love to be able to install macOS on any PC. As a former Mackintosh user, I'm not excited about drivers, but I'd love to see it nonetheless. But pushing Apple to make iOS available on other phone hardware is a massive undertaking. iOS is developed for a very constrained hardware set. When you move away from that and the optimizations thereof, what's left? It's a major distraction, you'll either ge…
> But pushing Apple to make iOS available on other phone hardware Wait where are you getting this from? > While the announcement is a step shy of being a formal investigation, the EU aims to compel Apple to re-engineer its services to allow rival companies to access the iPhone’s operating system. One of the aims of the DMA is to ensure that other developers can gain access to key iPhone features, such as its Siri voi…
I had interpreted “the EU aims to compel Apple to re-engineer its services to allow rival companies to access the iPhone’s operating system” to mean that they want other phone manufacturers to be able to install iOS on their phones. I agree that your interpretation is much more reasonable.