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Israel Built a Modern-Day Trojan Horse: Exploding Pagers

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According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack. They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders. Claiming this was a targeted military attack is ludicrous.

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Shocking to me that a terrorist attack by Israel is being lauded in the New York Times (and indeed on HN).

This was not a terrorist attack. This was a precisely targeted strike against the personnel of a hostile military.

This was a retaliation for an attack on unit 8200 headquarters, which was a retaliation for the assassination of a Hesbollah commander (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/which-hezbollah-ha...) which was... you can see where this is going.

What do know for a fact is that Israel bombs Palestine constantly, targets infrastructure, won't let them build a port, denies access to food and water, targets aid workers, shot children in the legs with live ammunition en mass who did not pose an imminent threat (See: South Africa's ICC case) There is no city in Israel that looks like Gaza. There are no west bank settlements into Israel. The Palestinians do not have checkpoints in Israel, or occupy Israel.

The widespread starvation in Gaza is well documented, and Israel could prevent it easily if they would just let them get food, but Israel is deliberately not letting food in. Think about that.

They're using starvation as a weapon, but it's OK because they're starving people in self-defence?

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According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack. They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders. Claiming this was a targeted military attack is ludicrous.

Agreed.

A targeted strike against enemy combatants (with minimal civilian deaths) is LEGAL WAR.

Indiscriminate booby traps into a civilian population (regardless of the original buyer) is definitely TERRORISM.

At this point, Israel’s detractors will say morally it’s no different than Hamas.

The dropping of bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima was TERRORISM as well as well as the fire bombing of London and Dresden.

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According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack. They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders. Claiming this was a targeted military attack is ludicrous.

Why would doctors have Hezbollah pagers or otherwise be involved with Hezbollah?

Also, what other means of attack would have a better combatant/civilian casualty ratio than this? Do you think that dropping bombs or sending in ground forces with M16s would have hit a lower percentage of civilians?

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According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack. They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders. Claiming this was a targeted military attack is ludicrous.

Why would doctors have Hezbollah pagers or otherwise be involved with Hezbollah? Also, what other means of attack would have a better combatant/civilian casualty ratio than this? Do you think that dropping bombs or sending in ground forces with M16s would have hit a lower percentage of civilians?

Hezbollah is a legitimate political party in Lebanon, like it or not. This means that they have a lot of civilians involved in running a country. Just imagine Russia targeting pro-fascist AfD in Germany and justifying that by "fighting against fascism in Europe." There's 0 doubt everyone would see that as a state-sponsored terror attack and an attack on a German state - an act of war.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would doctors have Hezbollah pagers or otherwise be involved with Hezbollah? Also, what other means of attack would have a better combatant/civilian casualty ratio than this? Do you think that dropping bombs or sending in ground forces with M16s would have hit a lower percentage of civilians?

Hezbollah is a legitimate political party in Lebanon, like it or not. This means that they have a lot of civilians involved in running a country. Just imagine Russia targeting pro-fascist AfD in Germany and justifying that by "fighting against fascism in Europe." There's 0 doubt everyone would see that as a state-sponsored terror attack and an attack on a German state - an act of war.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would doctors have Hezbollah pagers or otherwise be involved with Hezbollah? Also, what other means of attack would have a better combatant/civilian casualty ratio than this? Do you think that dropping bombs or sending in ground forces with M16s would have hit a lower percentage of civilians?

Hezbollah is a legitimate political party in Lebanon, like it or not. This means that they have a lot of civilians involved in running a country. Just imagine Russia targeting pro-fascist AfD in Germany and justifying that by "fighting against fascism in Europe." There's 0 doubt everyone would see that as a state-sponsored terror attack and an attack on a German state - an act of war.

Why would russia attack its puppets ?

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According to the BBC, of the 12 killed by pages, four were doctors, so it looks like Israel targeted hospitals as part of this attack. They also must have known that many of these bombs would detonate in public places where they would injure many civilians. I suspect the be breakdown of the thousands injured will disproportionately be innocent bystanders. Claiming this was a targeted military attack is ludicrous.

Why would doctors have Hezbollah pagers or otherwise be involved with Hezbollah? Also, what other means of attack would have a better combatant/civilian casualty ratio than this? Do you think that dropping bombs or sending in ground forces with M16s would have hit a lower percentage of civilians?

There is no such thing as a Hezbollah pager. They are gold Apollo pagers. It is completely normal for doctors to have pagers.
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