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Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
#12Can't wait to see the blast radius if the judge decides to block CloudFlare
They have other options in practice. If they have the means to block Cloudflare, they also have the means to prevent Twitter domains from resolving. (DoH can be blocked too without a big outage)
They don't need any of that..
They just need to send a court order to Cloudflare to have then block Twitter..
That is pretty much what already happened and Cloudflare already replied informing they will isolate Twitter IP range from the rest of the customers..
By this time tomorrow it will be blocked again..
Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have other options in practice. If they have the means to block Cloudflare, they also have the means to prevent Twitter domains from resolving. (DoH can be blocked too without a big outage)
They don't need any of that.. They just need to send a court order to Cloudflare to have then block Twitter.. That is pretty much what already happened and Cloudflare already replied informing they will isolate Twitter IP range from the rest of the customers.. By this time tomorrow it will be blocked again..
Cloudflare is notorious for protecting criminals using their service. We'll see what happens in practice, but if they simply comply without any resistance, I'd be surprised.
Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
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> I know people are cheering Musk's breaking the law. They'll continue cheering until he's breaking their laws.
The billions of people living under authoritarian regimes will be cheering doubly hard at that point.
I don't know enough about the Brazil situation to know who's in the right on that one (other than that I assume that Twitter is in continuing compliance with US law?), but it's a virtual certainty that Twitter is not complying with - say - Iranian law, and that's a huge win for the people of Iran.
This stuff is more nuanced than "I think that Musk is [good / bad], therefore I [support / oppose] everything he touches". I'm no fan of Musk, but I won't suddenly turn on basic democratic values and norms because I feel compelled to signal that I think the Twitter man is icky.
Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
#15Why didn't Musk attempt the same when India and Turkey did their version of it? Is Brazil worse than them? >In India, which is immersed in an autocratic drift that for months has been choking the media, journalists and critical voices, Twitter has also seconded government bans. To justify the consent, Musk said: “The rules in India for what can appear on social media are quite strict, and we can’t go beyond the laws…
Because those countries have laws that back their decisions. We don't. We are a democracy, we have laws - and there are no laws that allows the decisions this judge is taking.
Elon is not questioning our laws, or India or Turkey. He is questioning that the judge is not following our laws and he's right.
Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
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> I know people are cheering Musk's breaking the law
He's not breaking the law, the judge is. There are no laws in Brazil that back his decisions.
Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
#17Can't wait to see the blast radius if the judge decides to block CloudFlare
My understanding is that Brazil's government uses CloudFlare because its sites kept falling to DDOS attacks it couldn't block. If that's accurate, blocking CloudFlare would open the government to DDOS attacks again.
Like I said, I can't wait to see the blast radius.
Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't need any of that.. They just need to send a court order to Cloudflare to have then block Twitter.. That is pretty much what already happened and Cloudflare already replied informing they will isolate Twitter IP range from the rest of the customers.. By this time tomorrow it will be blocked again..
Cloudflare is notorious for protecting criminals using their service. We'll see what happens in practice, but if they simply comply without any resistance, I'd be surprised.
not only they did not offered any resistance.. but they were the ones that reached out and offered to comply without even requiring a specific court order..
when i posted they had already announced they would comply to the block, i wa referring to that..
that they isolated twitter traffic to 2 specific ip address that can easily be blocked.. the block is already in place for the big ISPs and the rest should have it blocked by the end of day..
Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
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> I know people are cheering Musk's breaking the law He's not breaking the law, the judge is. There are no laws in Brazil that back his decisions.
The case went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court backed the judge's decision. Also, Brazil's Congress can remove the judge from the bench, and they have not.
Given that state of affairs, how do you claim the judge is breaking the law?
Re: X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)
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> I know people are cheering Musk's breaking the law. They'll continue cheering until he's breaking their laws. The billions of people living under authoritarian regimes will be cheering doubly hard at that point. I don't know enough about the Brazil situation to know who's in the right on that one (other than that I assume that Twitter is in continuing compliance with US law?), but it's a virtual certainty that Twit…
> The billions of people living under authoritarian regimes will be cheering doubly hard at that point
Musk picks and chooses which regimes he supports.