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Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#11
The Basic Factual Information presentation is pretty astonishing. There were so many opportunities to stop and reflect on what a bad idea this whole enterprise was.

During the prototype phase:

"June 2019: OceanGate pilot visually identified a large crack on the internal surface of the carbon fiber hull."

"October 2019: TITAN tested at Deep Ocean Test Facility. Hull showed signs of fatigue, hull derated to 3000M."

On the first expedition:

"Conducted 1 test dive (dive #63) to depth on TITANIC (3,840M) before carrying paying passengers/ “mission specialists"

• 70 equipment issues requiring correction including:

• forward dome fell off during recovery,

• multiple drop weight issues to include the tray being jettisoned due to malfunction,

• drop weight and thruster failure at 3,500M, and

• platform damaged on recovery."

On the last expedition:

"Mission #2 (May 20 – May 28)

• POLAR PRINCE departed St. Johns on May 20th enroute TITANIC with TITAN in tow at an average speed of 7.4 knots (8.4 mph). May 22nd, conducted unmanned dive to 8 meters (Dive 84). On May 24th, after a night of high seas and fog, the TITAN and its platform were found partially sunk in the morning with the tail cone fairing ripped off. May 27th conducted post incident test dive, recorded 13 equipment issued requiring correction."

And maybe the worst, on the penultimate mission before its total constructive loss:

"On June 12th, while conducting Dive# 87, TITAN experienced a variable ballast tank issue, upon resurfacing, an error caused platform to become inverted to ~45 degrees with the bow of the TITAN up, slamming all 5 persons to the aft of the submersible. The TITAN became partially disconnected to the LARS and with the approximate 6 foot [seas?], slammed the submersible and the occupants for ~1 hour until the platform was corrected."

Spending an hour being slammed around in an oversized washing machine really should have given someone time to consider whether maybe their reach was exceeding their grasp. Unbelievable hubris.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> they never knew their margins and were never able to validate their models to reality The fact they knew this and went ahead anyways and took six people to their graves with them is absolutely terrifying.

"At some point, safety is just pure waste." -- Stockton Rush, OceanGate CEO. The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him.

>The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him.

No, he doesn't sounds sociopathic at all. People who "know better" than all the specialists aren't showing a sociopathic personality trait at all. Arrogance and stupidity, perhaps, but those aren't equated with sociopathy.

A sociopathic CEO would be someone who has no empathy. There's no evidence of that here, in fact probably the opposite. Stockton was just a fool.

Seriously, people need to stop using the "sociopathic" label for everyone they don't like.

Edit: to add to this, this reminds me of young people constantly using the word "gaslighting" when they really mean "lying". People who lie to you aren't engaging in an elaborate plan to make you question your own sanity; they're just liars. Please go watch the movie before ever using the term again.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#13

I just saw a news headline that the estate of the oceanographer who died on the Titan is suing the company for $50M. How exactly is this possible? Who are they suing? I didn't think there even was an OceanGate company in existence any more: their founder is dead, and no one in their right mind would ride on one of their subs any more, so what assets do they even have to sue for? They weren't some big tech company wit…

In the US you can sue anybody for anything. If its not completely and absolutely spurios it will get at least a hearing.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

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I just saw a news headline that the estate of the oceanographer who died on the Titan is suing the company for $50M. How exactly is this possible? Who are they suing? I didn't think there even was an OceanGate company in existence any more: their founder is dead, and no one in their right mind would ride on one of their subs any more, so what assets do they even have to sue for? They weren't some big tech company wit…

Perhaps the employees. Anybody working on it knew there wasn’t enough testing, so they could be held personally liable.

The employees are the ones "who labeled [the] experimental submersible unsafe prior to its last, fatal voyage," and are "testify[ing] Tuesday before U.S. Coast Guard investigators" [1].

[1] https://apnews.com/article/titan-submersible-implosion-heari...

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"At some point, safety is just pure waste." -- Stockton Rush, OceanGate CEO. The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him.

>The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him. No, he doesn't sounds sociopathic at all . People who "know better" than all the specialists aren't showing a sociopathic personality trait at all. Arrogance and stupidity, perhaps, but those aren't equated with sociopath…

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Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#16

The Basic Factual Information presentation is pretty astonishing. There were so many opportunities to stop and reflect on what a bad idea this whole enterprise was. During the prototype phase: "June 2019: OceanGate pilot visually identified a large crack on the internal surface of the carbon fiber hull." "October 2019: TITAN tested at Deep Ocean Test Facility. Hull showed signs of fatigue, hull derated to 3000M." On…

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Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#17

I just saw a news headline that the estate of the oceanographer who died on the Titan is suing the company for $50M. How exactly is this possible? Who are they suing? I didn't think there even was an OceanGate company in existence any more: their founder is dead, and no one in their right mind would ride on one of their subs any more, so what assets do they even have to sue for? They weren't some big tech company wit…

So, a DEAD person is suing a company, and what you see as a problem with that scenario is that the DEAD person will never see those 50 million because the company, that this DEAD person is sueing, does not have that kind of cash?

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#18

I just saw a news headline that the estate of the oceanographer who died on the Titan is suing the company for $50M. How exactly is this possible? Who are they suing? I didn't think there even was an OceanGate company in existence any more: their founder is dead, and no one in their right mind would ride on one of their subs any more, so what assets do they even have to sue for? They weren't some big tech company wit…

Their co-founder isn't dead, i don't know if he would be liable with his own assets in the US.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#19

I just saw a news headline that the estate of the oceanographer who died on the Titan is suing the company for $50M. How exactly is this possible? Who are they suing? I didn't think there even was an OceanGate company in existence any more: their founder is dead, and no one in their right mind would ride on one of their subs any more, so what assets do they even have to sue for? They weren't some big tech company wit…

OceanGate is probably still a going concern on paper. They no doubt have premises, equipment, other assets, creditors, cash in the bank and so on.

This lawsuit is probably an attempt to get a seat at the liquidation table if nothing else. They will probably not get 50M out, but I don't think that's the point.

Also keep in mind that this is the /estate/ that's suing, so there is a no doubt a lawyer somewhere in the mix that saw an opportunity to increase their executor fees and make bank.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> they never knew their margins and were never able to validate their models to reality The fact they knew this and went ahead anyways and took six people to their graves with them is absolutely terrifying.

"At some point, safety is just pure waste." -- Stockton Rush, OceanGate CEO. The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him.

He sounds suicidal.
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