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The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

#12

More than 50 employees and one master password. Awesome. Most companies start silo-ing waaaaay too early, everybody breaking up into little "that's not my job" cliques. It's just much less painful that way. Sounds like FB actively resisted, whether through design or chance.

>More than 50 employees and one master password. Awesome.

Not sure that's the word for it. Seems more like engineering naivete.

The thing is, I have a similar functionality at my company and the solution I came up with is conceptually simple but also a lot more secure.

There's an is_staff flag on every user account. If you have it set to True, you can log in as one of our customers for debugging purposes.

If you leave the company, you lose the flag. Simple as that really.

All the same power necessary to really get down and dirty with whatever problems our customers encounter, but with less potential issues.

I don't consider the above to be the end-all be-all as eventually it'll have to become more elaborate and locked down. For now, however, it seems to work well for a company of roughly seven people. :)

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

#13
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god. jesus. NO. you've already set the course for the "here comes another HN thread where people act/get pissy" thread, so we might as well. Here goes: You probably can't imagine what it's like - for a female employee to be aggressively pursued by a supervisor for a sexual act, nor can you fathom - the powerlessness of being one of those women who have all noticed this behavior and, worse, - knowing that they can't d…

Hm. I'm willing to bet your response would have been taken more seriously than his (hint: it wasn't) if you hadn't taken his tone and reduced it to the point of swearing so much. If it is such an important issue, perhaps treat it a bit more professionally.

"Professional" comes across as dispassionate on the internet (and often face-to-face as well). Swearing is one way to express emotion in text.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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I'm hearing a tiny, sad violin.

god. jesus. NO. you've already set the course for the "here comes another HN thread where people act/get pissy" thread, so we might as well. Here goes: You probably can't imagine what it's like - for a female employee to be aggressively pursued by a supervisor for a sexual act, nor can you fathom - the powerlessness of being one of those women who have all noticed this behavior and, worse, - knowing that they can't d…

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Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm. I'm willing to bet your response would have been taken more seriously than his (hint: it wasn't) if you hadn't taken his tone and reduced it to the point of swearing so much. If it is such an important issue, perhaps treat it a bit more professionally.

"Professional" comes across as dispassionate on the internet (and often face-to-face as well). Swearing is one way to express emotion in text.

Coming across as irate and unbalanced, which the author's swearing did in this instance, does nothing but detract from his / her point.

You can be assertive and "professional" without sounding like a shriek.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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I'm hearing a tiny, sad violin.

Seems like a pretty straightforward account. Neither condemning not lauding.

Indeed, and because of that I was rather confused. Was there a point to the article other than to give an account to her experience? Maybe I'm just too used to reading articles with obvious bias.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm. I'm willing to bet your response would have been taken more seriously than his (hint: it wasn't) if you hadn't taken his tone and reduced it to the point of swearing so much. If it is such an important issue, perhaps treat it a bit more professionally.

"Professional" comes across as dispassionate on the internet (and often face-to-face as well). Swearing is one way to express emotion in text.

I agree. The original post was a trite little comment that a) didn't match the tone of the book excerpt (which seemed pretty evenhanded) and b) was illustrative of the exact attitudes that can make women in tech feel marginalized.

The only acceptable response is to forcefully smack it down. I thought pnmahoney's reply was exactly the right tone.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

#18
Can someone explain to me what the author is trying to say? I see two things in the article:

1. In the author's eyes, the majority of early Facebook employees acted in a juvenile masculine manner[1].

2. Some of those early Facebook employees weren't nice people.

Am I missing something more subtle?

    [1] I.e., the manner young males are stereotyped[2].
    [2] I'm not accusing the author of stereotyping.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

#19
Mark Zuckerberg and those engineers made this customer service representative a millionaire. She repays them by trashing them in the Wall Street Journal.

There is nothing wrong with something "unrepentantly boyish", anything more than there is something wrong with women's only schools. Working class men don't go around apologizing for doing difficult construction jobs, white collar men need to stop apologizing for doing the difficult programming jobs.

This woman was in customer service. She was lucky to be put on the Facebook rocket ship. So too was Sheryl Sandberg, a nontechnical and obviously ultrapolitical operator, placed on third base as COO yet thinks she hit a triple. Both Losse and Sandberg consider themselves "women in tech". They're not. They're "women on tech", women carried on the backs of real technologists, male and female alike.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

#20
One useful point to take away from this is it helps to have an "adult"[1] in a high level position, to whom sensitive concerns can be brought to and dealt with in a discreet, sober, and careful fashion.

[1] i.e., someone mature, responsible, sober-minded.

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