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Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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America's housing situation continues to be zoning-driven. Cities where the jobs are located constrain housing supply via capricious zoning policies designed specifically to make housing more expensive. It is done to the benefit of existing landowners who vote for them, naturally, as landowners tend to be older, wealthier and voracious voters. Sure there's plenty of houses in Detroit but you can't commute from Detroi…

> I don't understand how progressives took up the mantle of "no more housing thanks we're good, let's just apply rent control" as if rent control actually helps.

I would argue that these people are not progressive, but rather conservative. Not in the sense of current political climate (doubt there are many Trumpies) but in the general political sense.

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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Having RTFA: I think it's an interesting take to centralize zoning at the state level. Houston (which has no zoning ordinances) is a terrible place to live, but it's definitely an affordable place to live.

The incentives at a state level around housing might actually balance differently because at that level economic activity, jobs, etc. matter more than property taxes. Something that isn't often mentioned, because the focus is always on California or the US, is that property values are directly tied to the overwhelming majority of municipal budgets via property taxes incurred as a percentage of that value. Not only do constituents vote for more expensive residential property, local governments want expensive residential property even if their voters didn't.

This is exactly why California has been trying to move some of this power to the state level: local governments are fighting tooth and nail to hold on to their tax revenue.

ETA: The property tax thing is more complex, but still applies. States like Florida and California cap how much tax assessments can increase for property you own that is your primary residence.

This still encourages these states to drive up property values because it tempts you into cashing out via selling. Every state with this sort of cap also immediately reassesses real estate to the price it sells at the following year. A high property value versus the tax assessment is just a deferred revenue stream, so it's a driver to encourage consistent turnover in the market. The only real way to do that is to constantly drive prices up, which drives the cost of living up, which turns over the residents faster.

So capping tax assessments like that, just makes the cycle even more viscous, in my experience living in Florida for a time.

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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America's housing situation continues to be zoning-driven. Cities where the jobs are located constrain housing supply via capricious zoning policies designed specifically to make housing more expensive. It is done to the benefit of existing landowners who vote for them, naturally, as landowners tend to be older, wealthier and voracious voters. Sure there's plenty of houses in Detroit but you can't commute from Detroi…

> I don't understand how progressives took up the mantle of "no more housing thanks we're good, let's just apply rent control" as if rent control actually helps. I would argue that these people are not progressive, but rather conservative. Not in the sense of current political climate (doubt there are many Trumpies) but in the general political sense.

I suspect some feel it's progressive in one particular sense, that it appears to allocate a scarce resource (housing -- but why's it scarce in the first place?) on the basis of something other than wealth: tenure (e.g., prop 13, rent control's caps on rent increases), involuntary--or voluntary--penury (e.g., section 8, affordable housing mandates), or some other notion of "deserving" (e.g., subsidies for housing for teachers, paramedics, etc.).

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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post #9

America's housing situation continues to be zoning-driven. Cities where the jobs are located constrain housing supply via capricious zoning policies designed specifically to make housing more expensive. It is done to the benefit of existing landowners who vote for them, naturally, as landowners tend to be older, wealthier and voracious voters. Sure there's plenty of houses in Detroit but you can't commute from Detroi…

> I don't understand how progressives took up the mantle of "no more housing thanks we're good, let's just apply rent control" Because everyone is a YIMBY until until they own a SFH house in a nice neighborhood and a proposal to plop a Section 8 high rise next door comes up. Much the same way that sanctuary cities are "pro sanctuary" until tens of thousands of "asylum seekers" show up. It turns out there there actual…

I have such a hard time explaining this to people :(

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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This reads like a propadanda peice focusing on zoning (which is relevant) but disregards the recent supply-side affects of private equity companies moving hard into real estate.

They will point to the fact that they only own 2% of homes overall, but they purchased 24% of sold inventory in 2022 and 40% in 2023. That is huge.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/mar/15/in-shift-44...

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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> I don't understand how progressives took up the mantle of "no more housing thanks we're good, let's just apply rent control" as if rent control actually helps. I would argue that these people are not progressive, but rather conservative. Not in the sense of current political climate (doubt there are many Trumpies) but in the general political sense.

I suspect some feel it's progressive in one particular sense, that it appears to allocate a scarce resource (housing -- but why's it scarce in the first place?) on the basis of something other than wealth : tenure (e.g., prop 13, rent control's caps on rent increases), involuntary--or voluntary--penury (e.g., section 8, affordable housing mandates), or some other notion of "deserving" (e.g., subsidies for housing for…

If you aren’t breaking down the status quo and moving toward something more equitable, in what way is it progressive? I don’t believe “feel good” equates to progressive - maybe more affirmative? As a renter of course I prefer areas that have rent control, but I understand that it’s not smart economic policy. Zoning isn’t smart economic policy either but I feel like it gets far more flak because it benefits the haves way more than the have-nots.

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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post #9

America's housing situation continues to be zoning-driven. Cities where the jobs are located constrain housing supply via capricious zoning policies designed specifically to make housing more expensive. It is done to the benefit of existing landowners who vote for them, naturally, as landowners tend to be older, wealthier and voracious voters. Sure there's plenty of houses in Detroit but you can't commute from Detroi…

> I don't understand how progressives took up the mantle of "no more housing thanks we're good, let's just apply rent control" Because everyone is a YIMBY until until they own a SFH house in a nice neighborhood and a proposal to plop a Section 8 high rise next door comes up. Much the same way that sanctuary cities are "pro sanctuary" until tens of thousands of "asylum seekers" show up. It turns out there there actual…

> Because everyone is a YIMBY until until they own a SFH house in a nice neighborhood and a proposal to plop a Section 8 high rise next door comes up.

I would argue that is because you’re buying with the wrong intention. If you just want a place to live, rather than expecting insane home appreciation that we have seen in the last decade, then I doubt this would be as much of an issue.

Personally, I think it’s because Americans have an aversion to high density housing. “I don’t want anyone living on top of me” is a common refrain I’ve heard, along with wanting a backyard. This was feasible when we had population levels of the 1940s, but not today.

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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Having RTFA: I think it's an interesting take to centralize zoning at the state level. Houston (which has no zoning ordinances) is a terrible place to live, but it's definitely an affordable place to live. The incentives at a state level around housing might actually balance differently because at that level economic activity, jobs, etc. matter more than property taxes. Something that isn't often mentioned, because t…

I mean, this also suggests that part of the way out of this is to change that perverse incentive structure.

Fund municipalities more from the state level, through progressive income taxes (and/or potentially other funding sources). Property taxes don't have to go away, but if they're no longer the sole or primary source of funding for the municipality where they're being levied, that removes a very obvious source of problems.

Just as obviously, it will introduce other problems, but in my experience, when you come to recognize that a particular structure in finance/government/rules/etc is causing problems, it is easier to get in a mindset of identifying similar problems in the structures you set up to replace them. This does require a certain minimum degree of competency and a certain maximum degree of willingness to upset everyone else's applecart for one's own benefit among the powers that would be making the decisions, of course, which cannot always be a given.

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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Having RTFA: I think it's an interesting take to centralize zoning at the state level. Houston (which has no zoning ordinances) is a terrible place to live, but it's definitely an affordable place to live. The incentives at a state level around housing might actually balance differently because at that level economic activity, jobs, etc. matter more than property taxes. Something that isn't often mentioned, because t…

I like the idea of capping tax assessments. I am in central Texas and about 7 years ago the county dropped rates. Then the assessment went up and now I am paying something like 600% more (my bill). I am grateful, in some respects, that the property is worth more but I an not really in a position to gain financially from the price increase.

Adding: I would also like to see more of a tax for subdividing land. The way the taxes are structured, I feel like it is set up for those already living here are paying for the development and then paying the bills for road maintenance, police and fire, schools, etc. Empty land does not need these services.

Re: Americans Voted Their Way into a Housing Crisis

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This reads like a propadanda peice focusing on zoning (which is relevant) but disregards the recent supply-side affects of private equity companies moving hard into real estate. They will point to the fact that they only own 2% of homes overall, but they purchased 24% of sold inventory in 2022 and 40% in 2023. That is huge. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/mar/15/in-shift-44...

The article you reference paints a distorted picture. The survey it’s reporting on is specifically limited to properties purchased to be flipped, not the entire market. It also lumps BlackRock with family owned LLCs. Quoting the original article:

“When combining closings between both larger, private equity and smaller, independent operations, investors accounted for 44% of the purchases of flips during the third quarter, the data reveals.” https://www.businessinsider.com/big-investors-purchasing-mor...

The impact of investors on the larger market is much less clear: https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2024/rise-in-investor...

I found the original submission worthwhile because it moves beyond these sorts of discussions. I didn't view it as focusing on zoning, but on highlighting how our local democratic structures themselves contribute to these issues. It has implications that go beyond just housing.

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