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Re: Tell HN: Stripe Dashboard no longer supports Firefox

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Post by markx2 »

sofixa wrote: post #7
Yizahi wrote: post #3

The natural consequence of chromewashing. If people pretend that Chrome clones are a "competitors" or viable "alternatives" it's no wonder that the only real alternative (on Windows) loses marketshare and is slowly deprecated because not many people speak out. It would be a "fun" time if FF ever dies, new IE6.0 situation but worse.

> It would be a "fun" time if FF ever dies, new IE6.0 situation but worse How would it be worse? Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. IE6.0 was entirely proprietary, and nobody could do absolutely anything if Microsoft went too far.

> Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far.

'anyone'.

The resources required to fork and then maintain would be huge, and that completely disregards the publicity needed to say just why the fork was needed and is in the consumer's best interest to use instead.

Google have already gone too far. I can only hope the EU breaks them.

Re: Tell HN: Stripe Dashboard no longer supports Firefox

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Post by bravetraveler »

markx2 wrote: post #11
sofixa wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be a "fun" time if FF ever dies, new IE6.0 situation but worse How would it be worse? Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. IE6.0 was entirely proprietary, and nobody could do absolutely anything if Microsoft went too far.

> Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. 'anyone'. The resources required to fork and then maintain would be huge, and that completely disregards the publicity needed to say just why the fork was needed and is in the consumer's best interest to use instead. Google have already gone too far. I can only hope the EU breaks them.

Let's not ignore the institutional change they drive; attestation and the like is not what it appears.

They can become the next Microsoft with secure boot signing keys for the next Widget, but implemented even less kindly. Yes, one can enroll their own signing keys. Who does?

The frog may say the water is warm, I say they are being boiled

Re: Tell HN: Stripe Dashboard no longer supports Firefox

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Post by al_borland »

sergiotapia wrote: post #6

I don't think anyone can judge unless they have actual usage % of Firefox for the stripe properties. If only 0.1% use Firefox then it's a no brainer right? might as well support gopher. unfortunately firefox dropped the ball so hard this past decade. all those distractions came back with a vengeance.

iOS probably hurts Firefox. Any Firefox installs on iOS don’t really matter, since WebKit is being used on the backend.

That said, I think it hurts Chrome more than Firefox, so I’m not all that upset about it. I think iOS is the only thing stopping Chrome/Blink from being the only browser anyone writes for, much like IE before Firefox came along. I think it’s important that Blink doesn’t end up with that market share. Once it’s past a certain point, everyone feels forced to use it so their pages work, and they end up on autopilot to 98% a market share. That that point, Google essentially owns the web, even more than they already do.

I’d have less of an issue with this if they weren’t ad company with data collection as their competitive advantage. There are a lot of conflicts of interest when it comes to Google and the future of the web.

Re: Tell HN: Stripe Dashboard no longer supports Firefox

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

markx2 wrote: post #11
sofixa wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be a "fun" time if FF ever dies, new IE6.0 situation but worse How would it be worse? Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. IE6.0 was entirely proprietary, and nobody could do absolutely anything if Microsoft went too far.

> Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. 'anyone'. The resources required to fork and then maintain would be huge, and that completely disregards the publicity needed to say just why the fork was needed and is in the consumer's best interest to use instead. Google have already gone too far. I can only hope the EU breaks them.

> The resources required to fork and then maintain would be huge

Yes but browser companies have those resources and the expertise.

Microsoft is one of the most able companies to maintain a real Chromium fork, so a Chromium based Edge with actual marketshare puts them in a much better negotiating position than EdgeHTML based Edge that no one uses.

I think a Chromium based Firefox might be better long term than the current Firefox since Mozilla is going to get less and less of a seat at the table until they can get some real marketshare again.

Re: Tell HN: Stripe Dashboard no longer supports Firefox

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Post by freefaler »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #4
Yizahi wrote: post #3

The natural consequence of chromewashing. If people pretend that Chrome clones are a "competitors" or viable "alternatives" it's no wonder that the only real alternative (on Windows) loses marketshare and is slowly deprecated because not many people speak out. It would be a "fun" time if FF ever dies, new IE6.0 situation but worse.

The natural consequences of Mozilla spending money on everything except on creating a the best browser in the world and working on marketshare (written in Firefox).

Yeah, they've been doing strange things over there for sure. Still for Android their mobile version is way better than Chrome.

However, even if they did have the best browser how many installs would they get based on the quality of the browser? Most people don't care and those who care aren't significant slice of the pie.

Platforms dictate browser distribution because the average person is happy with what he god pre-installed or what google has shown as promo on their page.

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