Advertising is a virus that will eventually infect all ecosystems.
The late great Bill Hicks said it best.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GaD8y-CGhMw&pp=ygUWYmlsbCBoaWNrc...
Manipulating large language models to increase product visibility
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Re: Manipulating large language models to increase product visibility
#12Uh-oh. Academia is saying one of the quiet parts out loud.
Re: Manipulating large language models to increase product visibility
#13"We consider the scenario where a user is looking for recommendations for affordable coffee machines. The LLM prompt consists of three main components: the system prompt, the product information extracted from the knowledge base (list of coffee machines), and the user query. The system prompt sets the context of the conversation and controls the behavior of the LLM. The product information is formatted as a collectio…
They ran an algorithm to search for the best series of tokens. You'd need direct access to the LLM to be able to do this.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're not advertising how are people going to know that you have something that would be useful to them in exchange for money? I don't see it as a virus, the real virus is poor products where the balance of marketing outweighs engineering.
I think people like me (and the GP) and you have a fundamental difference of opinion not just about ads, but about the foundations of life in society. Maybe even about capitalism itself, but that's probably a discussion for another day. > If you're not advertising how are people going to know that you have something that would be useful to them in exchange for money? Who cares? Why is that an important thing that mus…
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Re: Manipulating large language models to increase product visibility
#15I was using Claude the other day and I was asking it like what LLMs support a certain functionality. It said OpenAI, myself (Claude) and Groq etc. I then asked it to give me an example of how it could be used (vague, I didn't specify what LLM) and the example it gave me was for OpenAI. I thought that was kinda refreshing.
Re: Manipulating large language models to increase product visibility
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think people like me (and the GP) and you have a fundamental difference of opinion not just about ads, but about the foundations of life in society. Maybe even about capitalism itself, but that's probably a discussion for another day. > If you're not advertising how are people going to know that you have something that would be useful to them in exchange for money? Who cares? Why is that an important thing that mus…
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Ironic because it's essentially a diatribe prescribing organic advertising.
Maybe if this person actually knew what advertising was (not some strawman built around deception) the argument might track a little better.
Re: Manipulating large language models to increase product visibility
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're not advertising how are people going to know that you have something that would be useful to them in exchange for money? I don't see it as a virus, the real virus is poor products where the balance of marketing outweighs engineering.
I think people like me (and the GP) and you have a fundamental difference of opinion not just about ads, but about the foundations of life in society. Maybe even about capitalism itself, but that's probably a discussion for another day. > If you're not advertising how are people going to know that you have something that would be useful to them in exchange for money? Who cares? Why is that an important thing that mus…
Advertising is just another sign system. Most sign systems use and or manipulate environments.
You just used a digital forum to advertise your opinion.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Ironic because it's essentially a diatribe prescribing organic advertising. Maybe if this person actually knew what advertising was (not some strawman built around deception) the argument might track a little better.
I work in advertising. Their argument is not a strawman.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ironic because it's essentially a diatribe prescribing organic advertising. Maybe if this person actually knew what advertising was (not some strawman built around deception) the argument might track a little better.
I work in advertising. Their argument is not a strawman.
Ever watched Gruen? https://thetvdb.com/series/gruen
It's good value, in or out of the domain.