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Re: Kagi Assistant

#11
This is actually really exciting for Kagi. In a lot of situations the underlying model (Claude, GPT4 etc.) isn't that exciting, it's the connection to search to retrieve and summarize recent information that's exciting.

By already having a traditional search engine this puts Kagi at a big advantage compared to someone like Perplexity, or even Claude and OpenAI who I think are all cobbling together solutions on top of Bing's API.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#12
I've been curious about Kagi as a search engine for a while now and this seems like a good time to try, given that I already pay $20/month for ChatGPT.

The thing stopping me currently from trying this or Claude is I rely on the Opt+Space shortcut with the ChatGPT mac app.

Are there any other options for a native mac app with integration as good as the ChatGPT app?

Re: Kagi Assistant

#13

This is actually really exciting for Kagi. In a lot of situations the underlying model (Claude, GPT4 etc.) isn't that exciting, it's the connection to search to retrieve and summarize recent information that's exciting. By already having a traditional search engine this puts Kagi at a big advantage compared to someone like Perplexity, or even Claude and OpenAI who I think are all cobbling together solutions on top of…

The ability to use lenses with custom assistants is the killer feature IMO.

Want to search for open source projects that implement some algorithm? Create a Github/Gitlab lens. Want to ask it questions only about some framework? Add it’s domain to a lens.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#14
To repeat myself from a recent HN thread:

I've been using Kagi for a while (almost two years now!) and it's been nothing but excellent!

Lenses are very useful (Reddit lens is on every second search), and I personally really like the AI features they are working on.

The new more advanced assistant which is able to do searches, which can also be constrained to lenses, and lets you pick an arbitrary model, is excellent, and basically means I don't need a chatgpt/claude subscription, as Kagi covers it very well.

All in all, great product which I'm happy to pay for.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#15

Hmmm One feature here that I think competitors lack is that the LLM's view of search results can be constrained by Kagi's search "lens" [0] that let you exclude various categories of results. I use Kagi but haven't dug into lenses, anyone have experience ? I'm currently trying to write python script interfacing with outlook's mailterm interface (win32com.client) and it's annoying. I wonder if I can restrict search re…

I use the Programming, Forums, PDFs, Recipes, and Small Webs lenses pretty regularly, though I haven't tried making my own lens yet. The 'Programming' lens is probably what you'd want for your Python script.

Note: I work part-time at Kagi (was a Kagi user before that), not doing search stuff.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#16

This is actually really exciting for Kagi. In a lot of situations the underlying model (Claude, GPT4 etc.) isn't that exciting, it's the connection to search to retrieve and summarize recent information that's exciting. By already having a traditional search engine this puts Kagi at a big advantage compared to someone like Perplexity, or even Claude and OpenAI who I think are all cobbling together solutions on top of…

The ability to use lenses with custom assistants is the killer feature IMO. Want to search for open source projects that implement some algorithm? Create a Github/Gitlab lens. Want to ask it questions only about some framework? Add it’s domain to a lens.

Yea, it solves a lot of limitations with LLMs generally struggling with 'niche' topics.

Being able to innovate on the search side while everyone else loses a lot of many training LLMs feels like a good space to be in at the moment.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#17
post #5

So for 25$ a month I get access to ChatGPT and Claude offerings in addition to access to Kagi search. This sounds like a good deal, compared to the 20$/month access to ChatGPT only. Or am I missing something?

You can use something like OpenRouter, which lets you access essentially all commercially available models. Including open-source models. There are no rate limits. You pay a different rate per model (OpenRouter shows the pricing transparently). You load your account with credits. I use it daily (undoubtedly far more than the average user) and loaded 50$ with credits five months ago, but I still have over 1/2 of it le…

Thanks for the hint, a usage based model looks way more attractive to me right now.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#18
I do think LLMs have their place in search and I think the Kagi approach feels a lot better than Googles'. Kagi doesn't inject LLM results anywhere, but they've been making LLMs accessible in their search interface for a long while - this being the most evolved version of that effort. I am not totally sold on everything they are doing but I hate their integration of LLMs the least.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#19
It's not clear from the post how to access this new assistant. The search page has no such option (not a paying user). When I run a search, I only see an LLM based summary of the results similar to Google's.

Update: I see now that they say it's not available for free users. Need to pay $25/month. Not sure why, they can offer it for free users with the cheaper models like they do now to generate a "quick answer". I'm not going to pay to try it out.

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