Can't the government already do the same using images from identity cards, passports, etc.? Is the problem mainly because it's a private company doing it? I genuinely want to better understand this issue.
Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
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Re: Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
#12If having a facial recognition system of your citizens is immoral, then maybe the Netherlands government shouldn't have one either? Are the facial recognition systems of the Netherlands auditable? How can anyone be certain that they aren't being abused and used for political persecution?
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#13I rarely root for EU’s heavy handed approach to tech regulation. But in this case, I am willing to pick up Pom-poms and cheer for them as loud as I am capable of “Go eu go. Bankrupt those bastards and jail them all. Go eu go. Give it to them hard”
In what cases do you not like the EU’s approach? By and large, some good moves happening there.
The only negative that really jumps out to me are cookie consent banners, but those are more malicious compliance than the fault of the EU.
Re: Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can also arrest the employees of the company who is breaking their laws the next time they step foot in the EU.
This is not a practice you want to normalize.
Neither do you want to normalise organisations violating the rights of a given state's citizens with impunity because they operate from outside of their jurisdiction and refuse to engage. If there's no other recourse than to arrest the members of the (for all intents and purposes) criminal organisation if they step foot in the affected state then so be it.
Re: Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not a practice you want to normalize.
Why not? Sends a strong message; and also forces employees to think about what they are doing instead of passing the buck. This is also not like some stupid patent dispute or DMA compliance argument. These employees are directly responsible for stockpiling personal identities of millions of people for the express purposes of making the surveillance efforts of their government easier. That's a very political action, w…
Are you sure you haven't violated the laws of any of the other 190+ countries? sure enough to risk taking another vacation?
Re: Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
#16Can't the government already do the same using images from identity cards, passports, etc.? Is the problem mainly because it's a private company doing it? I genuinely want to better understand this issue.
Yes, the problem is that a private company doing it against data privacy regulations in the EU; collecting personally identifiable information and biometrics is regulated through the GDPR, the article clearly states the issue:
> The Dutch agency said that building the database and insufficiently informing people whose images appear in the database amounted to serious breaches of the European Union's General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR.
Re: Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not a practice you want to normalize.
Why not? Sends a strong message; and also forces employees to think about what they are doing instead of passing the buck. This is also not like some stupid patent dispute or DMA compliance argument. These employees are directly responsible for stockpiling personal identities of millions of people for the express purposes of making the surveillance efforts of their government easier. That's a very political action, w…
There are 27 countries in EU with different motives, morals, interests, etc. Just because you agree with the decision of one country in one instance it doesn't mean you would agree with them all. But once you give them the powers it's impossible to take them back. It's a bad slippery slope.
Re: Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? Sends a strong message; and also forces employees to think about what they are doing instead of passing the buck. This is also not like some stupid patent dispute or DMA compliance argument. These employees are directly responsible for stockpiling personal identities of millions of people for the express purposes of making the surveillance efforts of their government easier. That's a very political action, w…
Are you sure you haven't violated the laws of any of the other 190+ countries? sure enough to risk taking another vacation?
Depends on where I'm going.
If I go to Saudi Arabia after having called for their leader to be executed on X for his treatment of women, yeah, probably not a good idea to go.
If I go to Iran after saying Khamenei deserves a rocket to his mansion, yeah, probably not a good idea to go.
If I go to Europe after having run a multi-million dollar scheme affecting European countries by white-labelling services from North Korea (legal in Brazil), and I'm a Brazilian citizen and know Brazil almost never extradites, yeah, probably not a good idea to go.
If I go to the US with my two 12 year old brides from Niger, yeah, probably not a good idea to go.
Re: Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
#19Can't the government already do the same using images from identity cards, passports, etc.? Is the problem mainly because it's a private company doing it? I genuinely want to better understand this issue.
Yes, the problem is that a private company doing it against data privacy regulations in the EU; collecting personally identifiable information and biometrics is regulated through the GDPR, the article clearly states the issue: > The Dutch agency said that building the database and insufficiently informing people whose images appear in the database amounted to serious breaches of the European Union's General Data Prot…
Okay I get it now, GDPR.
But is it bad if it is used to catch criminals ?
What's a potential misuse of that technology ?
Maybe I watched too much of Person Of Internet...
Re: Clearview AI faces $45.6M fine in the Netherlands for 'illegal database of faces
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? Sends a strong message; and also forces employees to think about what they are doing instead of passing the buck. This is also not like some stupid patent dispute or DMA compliance argument. These employees are directly responsible for stockpiling personal identities of millions of people for the express purposes of making the surveillance efforts of their government easier. That's a very political action, w…
Are you sure you haven't violated the laws of any of the other 190+ countries? sure enough to risk taking another vacation?
Is it really so unreasonable to expect that countries prosecute people who commit crimes against their citizens with expectation of impunity the next time they visit their country?
You're proposing an alternative where people can just commit crimes with no recourse from the victims simply because a border exists somewhere and they commit the crimes on one side of the border.
Would you expect it to be reasonable for Canadian citizens to be shooting at Americans on the border and it unreasonable for American authorities to arrest them if they came to America?