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Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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Interesting concern given all of our pictures were already sold by META to every data broker on the planet..

Not everyone's but only of those who uploaded them.

Nope. If someone uploaded a picture with you in it and tagged your name, they have you too.

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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This kind of biometric security is getting a bit ridiculous. It would be different if it was done in a secure way and by that I mean secure in the sense that the person who provides the biometric data you had the ability to secure it wherever it went. This could absolutely be done but the reason it's not is companies totally want to gather this data from people and then sell it to other companies for machine learning…

> It would be quite straightforward to make your biometric identity a public private key kind of setup.

There is no repudiation, attestation or key rotation in this setup, with all the attendant problems that creates.

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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Interesting concern given all of our pictures were already sold by META to every data broker on the planet..

They don’t sell data, they just collect it to target relevant ads. If you can find an instance of them (or Google) actually selling data to brokers, please share

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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The title confused me because here in Germany the police are civil servants and they generally don't have a right to strike or just choose not to do their job as they're an executive organ of the state but apparently here the police is just.. side hustling?

"conversations with officers “making them very well aware of what they’re agreeing to.” But the decision may come down to what individual officers are comfortable with, Grammas said. Overtime security work is not mandatory for officers, but voluntary."

Maybe it's a cultural thing but blurring the line between an officer in their public capacity and what is basically private security at a sports event should be two separate things. Hiring the police out as a private security force where they then get to negotiate what rules they have to play by has a Judge Dredd vibe to it

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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The title confused me because here in Germany the police are civil servants and they generally don't have a right to strike or just choose not to do their job as they're an executive organ of the state but apparently here the police is just.. side hustling? "conversations with officers “making them very well aware of what they’re agreeing to.” But the decision may come down to what individual officers are comfortable…

Often at large private events the city will require a certain number of police, that the host must hire. And they can only hire from local departments that have worked out these deals letting officers do this on their own time, but in uniform.

It’s weird, and often sort of extortion

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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Interesting concern given all of our pictures were already sold by META to every data broker on the planet..

Meta and Google want to retain their data moat to maximize their ad premiums over competitors. They really do not want to sell any data.

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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The title confused me because here in Germany the police are civil servants and they generally don't have a right to strike or just choose not to do their job as they're an executive organ of the state but apparently here the police is just.. side hustling? "conversations with officers “making them very well aware of what they’re agreeing to.” But the decision may come down to what individual officers are comfortable…

yeah, this is super common here in the US. Off-duty cops are in demand as security guards and they can work in uniform, which to me is all kinds of weird. You can literally "rent a cop" (an expression used as a joke about mall security guards who are typically not cops at all) this way, complete with full police powers.

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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Interesting concern given all of our pictures were already sold by META to every data broker on the planet..

Meta and Google want to retain their data moat to maximize their ad premiums over competitors. They really do not want to sell any data.

Google is handing real time location data, browsing histories, etc to 3rd parties while not technically selling it. Ex: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-...

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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The title confused me because here in Germany the police are civil servants and they generally don't have a right to strike or just choose not to do their job as they're an executive organ of the state but apparently here the police is just.. side hustling? "conversations with officers “making them very well aware of what they’re agreeing to.” But the decision may come down to what individual officers are comfortable…

> Hiring the police out as a private security force where they then get to negotiate what rules they have to play by has a Judge Dredd vibe to it

The work is voluntary overtime work.

They're not forced to accept voluntary overtime work. It's an optional thing they can choose to do above and beyond their base job, if the pay and terms are interesting enough.

I don't see why it's a problem. What are the alternatives? Forcing police to do security for private events inside of private venues as part of their job?

Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy

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Interesting concern given all of our pictures were already sold by META to every data broker on the planet..

They don’t sell data, they just collect it to target relevant ads. If you can find an instance of them (or Google) actually selling data to brokers, please share

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