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Crows are even smarter than we thought

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Re: Crows are even smarter than we thought

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This is just as interesting as any other article on finding that X can do Y where X isn’t human and Y is a behavior that humans value.

What would be even more amazing to me is finding cognitive things that other animals do that humans can’t. Of course, many humans can’t do mental math so … maybe the quest is ill defined?

Re: Crows are even smarter than we thought

#12

I don’t know why these things are surprising. To me, the assumption that animals can’t do things we later discovered they could do is the surprising thing. Such arrogance we humans have.

It cuts both ways. We've discounted animal abilities out of arrogance, but we've also paid attention to those abilities that most remind us of ourselves.

In this case, crows are doing something that is interesting but doesn't appear to be spontaneous tool-making but rather a form of mimicry that may have hard-wired instinctive basis. Is it human-like learning? Is it "smart" the way a human is smart? Doesn't look like it.

Re: Crows are even smarter than we thought

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I don’t know why these things are surprising. To me, the assumption that animals can’t do things we later discovered they could do is the surprising thing. Such arrogance we humans have.

Because they have such little brains. When I look at a crow, I think - not much room for brains in there.

Among other things, avian brains have a higher density of neurons than mammalian ones! https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822%282... seems to be a primer on some of the differences.

Re: Crows are even smarter than we thought

#14

I don’t know why these things are surprising. To me, the assumption that animals can’t do things we later discovered they could do is the surprising thing. Such arrogance we humans have.

Maybe not surprising, but exciting! This kind of pessimistic take is what really surprises me. Crows can make mental templates, this is something we didn't know earlier, and is really neat, as far as I can tell.

Re: Crows are even smarter than we thought

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This is just as interesting as any other article on finding that X can do Y where X isn’t human and Y is a behavior that humans value. What would be even more amazing to me is finding cognitive things that other animals do that humans can’t. Of course, many humans can’t do mental math so … maybe the quest is ill defined?

The only bit of animal behaviour research I have ever found to be really interesting or meaningful is that on cephalopods. Their nervous system is very different to ours, and it seems like that difference shows clearly in their learning abilities.

Re: Crows are even smarter than we thought

#16

Apparently you can scare a few of them like crazy from your land and they will tell their bros to stay away.

This is what I find most fascinating. That crows are capable of gossip, organization, planning and execution.

"you know that dude that lives by the water? protect him he feeds us."

"you know the big guy that walks his dog and barks at us? we found out where he lives."

I've seen crows execute their own (seriously). They would crowd and walk him over the edge and when he fell they would just attack him.

I've seen crows leave gifts behind for feeding them regularly.

I've seen crows protect our property from raccoons and squirrels.

I've seen crows remember people and harass them (even when they moved to another city!)

Re: Crows are even smarter than we thought

#17

I don’t know why these things are surprising. To me, the assumption that animals can’t do things we later discovered they could do is the surprising thing. Such arrogance we humans have.

Because they have such little brains. When I look at a crow, I think - not much room for brains in there.

parrots too are extremely smart. I swear they know how to perform basic math and know what things are called.

Re: Crows are even smarter than we thought

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Sometimes I wonder whether we're being watched by a super intelligent species beyond our current detection that occasionally places objects in certain configurations in front of the smarter of our species throughout history, and writes articles based on their observations titled things like, "homo sapiens smarter than previously known: demonstrates understanding of unified theory of electromagnetic waves through RF s…

Found Gary Larson's alt account.

You should turn it into a short movie using AI. I have thought something similar but more along the lines that in the universe above us, we are 3 days into a science experiment and either a) they don't know we exist or b) the look in with their microscope and see patterns for cities or c) they have a statistical measure of how many have developed ecosystems and set off a nuclear weapon. But on the scales they are viewing, the known universe might fit into a 50cm sphere (their dimensions).

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