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Re: Brazil blocks Starlink bank accounts

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Starlink is widely used in deforestation and mining in Brazil. Elon Musk personally flew to Brazil to promote it (with Balsenero?), despite the predictions that Starlink would be used that way. The political pitch was that schools in the far reaches would use it - that has measurably failed to materialize. Meanwhile, Federal raids on gold mining operations show Starlink transceivers routinely. source: Brazilian activ…

that's not a source, could you link the report?

Re: Brazil blocks Starlink bank accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, X was fined, didn't pay, and the judge pierced a few corporate veils to discover that Starlink and X share a majority owner.

He had to pierce veils to figure that out? Couldn’t he just check Wikipedia like everyone else? Is this legal in the US? If company A owns B and C; and C does something bad, can A or B be fined?

that's the idea of "limited liability". it has a lot of downsides in practice.

Re: Brazil blocks Starlink bank accounts

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post #11

Starlink is widely used in deforestation and mining in Brazil. Elon Musk personally flew to Brazil to promote it (with Balsenero?), despite the predictions that Starlink would be used that way. The political pitch was that schools in the far reaches would use it - that has measurably failed to materialize. Meanwhile, Federal raids on gold mining operations show Starlink transceivers routinely. source: Brazilian activ…

that's not a source, could you link the report?

https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2024/05/15/find-out-how-ille...

Re: Brazil blocks Starlink bank accounts

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> the rule of law is an afterthought Are you implying that, given all your knowledge of Brazilian law, implicating Starlink to pay for X fines is against the law?

Rule of law doesn't mean written law. A written law can be against the rule of law. Conversely, something might not be against the law but violate the rule of law.

> "the mechanism, process, institution, practice, or norm that supports the equality of all citizens before the law, secures a nonarbitrary form of government, and more generally prevents the arbitrary use of power."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law

Re: Brazil blocks Starlink bank accounts

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> the rule of law is an afterthought Are you implying that, given all your knowledge of Brazilian law, implicating Starlink to pay for X fines is against the law?

Considering the original requirement for twitter to remain active in Brazil was a human rights violation.... this too is a human rights violation. Speech ought to be free.

Re: Brazil blocks Starlink bank accounts

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post #2

Am I understanding this correctly? The judge didn't like what X did (or didn't do) so he is making moves against StarLink, which would allow users to potentially bypass the censorship this judge is pushing for.

As I understand it, X was fined, didn't pay, and the judge pierced a few corporate veils to discover that Starlink and X share a majority owner.

> Starlink and X share a majority owner

Musk doesn’t own a majority of Starlink or SpaceX. (SpaceX owns Starlink. SpaceX is controlled by Musk. But he owns less than 50% of the shares.)

Re: Brazil blocks Starlink bank accounts

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the rule of law is an afterthought Are you implying that, given all your knowledge of Brazilian law, implicating Starlink to pay for X fines is against the law?

Rule of law doesn't mean written law. A written law can be against the rule of law. Conversely, something might not be against the law but violate the rule of law. > "the mechanism, process, institution, practice, or norm that supports the equality of all citizens before the law, secures a nonarbitrary form of government, and more generally prevents the arbitrary use of power." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of…

Doesn't that quote support the judge's position, though? X is being treated just like all other citizens. The page you linked also states "no one is above the law," so I'm sincerely not sure who we're talking about here.

Re: Brazil blocks Starlink bank accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, X was fined, didn't pay, and the judge pierced a few corporate veils to discover that Starlink and X share a majority owner.

> Starlink and X share a majority owner Musk doesn’t own a majority of Starlink or SpaceX. (SpaceX owns Starlink. SpaceX is controlled by Musk. But he owns less than 50% of the shares.)

Musk owns 79% of voting shares of spacex (but yes, only 42% of equity). I guess it depends on your definition of “owns”, but its not unreasonable to say he owns spacex.
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