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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

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As much as I think the FAA response might be a bit unfair, I think the issue here is what is promised vs delivered Even with a disposable booster you want it to follow a certain flight path and be discarded at a given area. If you promised that it will land and it doesn't, even if it is inconsequential to the rest of the mission, well...

I just don't understand the repeated takes that this is unfair. There was a failure, it should be investigated and a fix found. Once SpaceX has done that, they can continue launching rockets. I'm not sure where the problem is. This is what we expect from every plane crash too, or did I imagine the existence and purpose of the NTSB? The same thing happened with the last explosion and the Falcon 9 was eventually allowe…

It is kind of ridiculous though, every other rocket launched by any other company or country basically just blows up in the sea or the air.

Penalizing SpaceX for being the most successful company seems silly. Are they grounding other companies whose rockets cannot land at all?

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

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post #2

It’s amazing how this is now the news, not when it successfully lands!

Think about who stands to lose the most if Tesla and spacex dominate (answer: old money)

Think about who controls the media (answer: old money and friends of old money)

It is very easy to see why they want everyone to think spacex and Tesla are collapsing

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

#13
post #6

As much as I think the FAA response might be a bit unfair, I think the issue here is what is promised vs delivered Even with a disposable booster you want it to follow a certain flight path and be discarded at a given area. If you promised that it will land and it doesn't, even if it is inconsequential to the rest of the mission, well...

I just don't understand the repeated takes that this is unfair. There was a failure, it should be investigated and a fix found. Once SpaceX has done that, they can continue launching rockets. I'm not sure where the problem is. This is what we expect from every plane crash too, or did I imagine the existence and purpose of the NTSB? The same thing happened with the last explosion and the Falcon 9 was eventually allowe…

> There was a failure, it should be investigated and a fix found.

Yes but you don't need to delay other missions because of this specific failure

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

#14

As much as I think the FAA response might be a bit unfair, I think the issue here is what is promised vs delivered Even with a disposable booster you want it to follow a certain flight path and be discarded at a given area. If you promised that it will land and it doesn't, even if it is inconsequential to the rest of the mission, well...

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

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post #12
post #2

It’s amazing how this is now the news, not when it successfully lands!

Think about who stands to lose the most if Tesla and spacex dominate (answer: old money) Think about who controls the media (answer: old money and friends of old money) It is very easy to see why they want everyone to think spacex and Tesla are collapsing

"Old money" is one way to put it. It seems to be dominated by pension funds and people's savings. Please don't put your savings into Vanguard's famous index fund — Vanguard currently has 7.47% of the shares and you don't want to ruin that by forcing Vanguard to increase its stake to 7.48%.

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

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As much as I think the FAA response might be a bit unfair, I think the issue here is what is promised vs delivered Even with a disposable booster you want it to follow a certain flight path and be discarded at a given area. If you promised that it will land and it doesn't, even if it is inconsequential to the rest of the mission, well...

FAA is doing their job. If the investigation turns up nothing then that’s fine. If they find something like SpaceX didn’t follow their quality processes then that’s time to pause before someone gets hurt.

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't understand the repeated takes that this is unfair. There was a failure, it should be investigated and a fix found. Once SpaceX has done that, they can continue launching rockets. I'm not sure where the problem is. This is what we expect from every plane crash too, or did I imagine the existence and purpose of the NTSB? The same thing happened with the last explosion and the Falcon 9 was eventually allowe…

It is kind of ridiculous though, every other rocket launched by any other company or country basically just blows up in the sea or the air. Penalizing SpaceX for being the most successful company seems silly. Are they grounding other companies whose rockets cannot land at all?

First, take a deep breath.

All other companies are investigated if this happens. It’s news because SpaceX launches so well and so often that it’s out of the norm.

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't understand the repeated takes that this is unfair. There was a failure, it should be investigated and a fix found. Once SpaceX has done that, they can continue launching rockets. I'm not sure where the problem is. This is what we expect from every plane crash too, or did I imagine the existence and purpose of the NTSB? The same thing happened with the last explosion and the Falcon 9 was eventually allowe…

> There was a failure, it should be investigated and a fix found. Yes but you don't need to delay other missions because of this specific failure

How do we know this isn’t currently systemic?

Time to take a knee and pause then examine what went wrong.

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is kind of ridiculous though, every other rocket launched by any other company or country basically just blows up in the sea or the air. Penalizing SpaceX for being the most successful company seems silly. Are they grounding other companies whose rockets cannot land at all?

First, take a deep breath. All other companies are investigated if this happens. It’s news because SpaceX launches so well and so often that it’s out of the norm.

It is simply not true that “all other companies” are investigated if their rockets fail to make a successful landing on a ship at sea. This is because no other company in the world has ever successfully landed a rocket on a ship at sea.

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 'tipped over' into the ocean during landing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There was a failure, it should be investigated and a fix found. Yes but you don't need to delay other missions because of this specific failure

How do we know this isn’t currently systemic? Time to take a knee and pause then examine what went wrong.

Systemic, possibly. Dangerous? Doesn't look like it
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