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Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by legohead »

Xcelerate wrote: post #4

I don’t know enough to comment on the Hygiene / Old Friends hypothesis, but anecdotally it seems like almost everyone I know now has an allergy or autoimmune disorder of some sort. After giving birth, my sister suddenly developed something similar to celiac disease (but not quite the same; I don’t think doctors ever figured out exactly what it is) to where she can’t eat grains and a few other types of food as well. I…

I became allergic to Yellow 6 randomly. I would get extreme abdominal pain, even went to the ER a couple times and got a CT scan once due to the severity of the pain. I broke out in hives, tongue would swell, etc. I eventually figured it out after having a reaction to Cheese Doritos but not Cool Ranch (the only ingredient difference was Yellow 6). I tested it on some other foods with Yellow 6 and confirmed it.

So I stayed away from it for a couple years, then decided to cautiously try some Doritos again, and no reaction. Today, I'm not allergic to yellow 6 at all.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by jasonvorhe »

Xcelerate wrote: post #4

I don’t know enough to comment on the Hygiene / Old Friends hypothesis, but anecdotally it seems like almost everyone I know now has an allergy or autoimmune disorder of some sort. After giving birth, my sister suddenly developed something similar to celiac disease (but not quite the same; I don’t think doctors ever figured out exactly what it is) to where she can’t eat grains and a few other types of food as well. I…

Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. But one can find out. Even if one isn't conspiracy minded, it's quite obvious that oligarchs, their multinational companies and governments couldn't give a single fuck about normal people.

PFAS and microplastics everywhere, rises in autoimmune diseases as well as allergies and Alzheimer's. Addictive amounts of sugar in a lot of food. GMOs everywhere unless you can pay extra for organic.

None of these people actually care about us. If we don't get an understanding of what's healthy and how to get rid of all of this artificial poison we're probably going to end up in the Idiocracy timeline.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by hyperpape »

I'm (genuinely--I don't know enough to pretend this is a knock-down argument) curious how this characterization of "crowd" illnesses fits with reports that Covid was extensively circulating in deer (not known for congregating in indoor spaces with poor ventilation). https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/08/29/...

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by randomdata »

krackers wrote: post #7
giantg2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Autoimmune responses are well known with some vaccines and some conditions, such as GBS. Most real experts know that vaccines carry all sorts of risks. It's the general public that is mostly unaware and would find this sort of thing surprising. It's the whole "safe" vs "generally safe" thing.

>Most real experts know that vaccines carry all sorts of risks And that's why all the real experts made sure to properly communicate the risks vs benefits of the Covid vaccine in an age, sex, and dose-stratified fashion, right? Oh wait...

The real experts in the fields I know well don't tend to spend much time communicating with others about their expertise, especially to the layman. Why would the real experts in this particular field be any different?

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by yieldcrv »

hyperpape wrote: post #13

I'm (genuinely--I don't know enough to pretend this is a knock-down argument) curious how this characterization of "crowd" illnesses fits with reports that Covid was extensively circulating in deer (not known for congregating in indoor spaces with poor ventilation). https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/08/29/...

If its surviving in deer longer than it would in a human, then all calculus about the virus is different either way. There wouldn't be a need to conform that data to this observation.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by XMPPwocky »

krackers wrote: post #7
giantg2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Autoimmune responses are well known with some vaccines and some conditions, such as GBS. Most real experts know that vaccines carry all sorts of risks. It's the general public that is mostly unaware and would find this sort of thing surprising. It's the whole "safe" vs "generally safe" thing.

>Most real experts know that vaccines carry all sorts of risks And that's why all the real experts made sure to properly communicate the risks vs benefits of the Covid vaccine in an age, sex, and dose-stratified fashion, right? Oh wait...

Experts in any field are generally not the ones communicating with, and making recommendations to, the public.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by lkrubner »

Xcelerate wrote: post #4

I don’t know enough to comment on the Hygiene / Old Friends hypothesis, but anecdotally it seems like almost everyone I know now has an allergy or autoimmune disorder of some sort. After giving birth, my sister suddenly developed something similar to celiac disease (but not quite the same; I don’t think doctors ever figured out exactly what it is) to where she can’t eat grains and a few other types of food as well. I…

Sad to say, the fecal-oral cycle of infection remains common in the USA, with the most common areas of spread being restaurants although hospitals were sadly guilty of this until recently. And for any gastrointestinal illness in the USA, the single most common cause is Helicobacter pylori. Back in the 1980s and 1990s researchers mostly associated Helicobacter pylori with ulcers, but since then the research has expanded to show it produces a wide range of symptoms. It is a serious illness, even if you never develop an ulcer. And it so contagious that you can get it simply by kissing someone. And it is shockingly prevalent, with more than 20% of the public having it. It is always the first thing that should be checked when someone has weird gastrointestinal issues. The good news is that it is easy to cure: 14 days of antibiotics cures the disease in 96% of patients.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by moffkalast »

ransom1538 wrote: post #9
Xcelerate wrote: post #4

I don’t know enough to comment on the Hygiene / Old Friends hypothesis, but anecdotally it seems like almost everyone I know now has an allergy or autoimmune disorder of some sort. After giving birth, my sister suddenly developed something similar to celiac disease (but not quite the same; I don’t think doctors ever figured out exactly what it is) to where she can’t eat grains and a few other types of food as well. I…

IHMO An old myth, I believe: Your immune system needs something to fight, otherwise, it starts finding problems that aren't.

Less of an old myth and more like well accepted scientific fact: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-019-0675-0

Excess calorie intake causes chronic inflammation, which gradually causes a plethora of other problems. There's also autoimmune conditions as a consequence of viral infections, so many of that from covid in recent years.

Re: Your Immune System Is Not a Muscle

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Post by fwip »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #12
Xcelerate wrote: post #4

I don’t know enough to comment on the Hygiene / Old Friends hypothesis, but anecdotally it seems like almost everyone I know now has an allergy or autoimmune disorder of some sort. After giving birth, my sister suddenly developed something similar to celiac disease (but not quite the same; I don’t think doctors ever figured out exactly what it is) to where she can’t eat grains and a few other types of food as well. I…

Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. But one can find out. Even if one isn't conspiracy minded, it's quite obvious that oligarchs, their multinational companies and governments couldn't give a single fuck about normal people. PFAS and microplastics everywhere, rises in autoimmune diseases as well as allergies and Alzheimer's. Addictive amounts of sugar in a lot of food. GMOs everywhere u…

Most GMOs are safe, with the possible exception of those that produce their own insecticide, and overspraying of herbicides on crops GMO'd to be more herbicide-resistant.
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