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Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by shinycode »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

I don’t think this kind of « threat thinking » is true. « We find ways to steal from you and it’s still good for you because otherwise you will be left behind without us ». It’s kinda feels like bullying to me

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by llm_trw »

anonzzzies wrote: post #9
xiphias2 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

Too much money here to leave it behind. This is a slap on the wrist anyway.

Thats what the Chinese through during the industrial revolution.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by croes »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

Without growing user numbers they lose stock value.

And ideas like Uber aren't hard to copy by local companies.

There was even a time where copy cats were an easy way to get rich.

Copy a US company, wait to get bought by that company. That made the Samwer brothers rich.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by ghusto »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

Tease.

I would love it if companies from the U.S.A. left the EU. Not solely for the economic boost it would give local competitors (who have all but shut down when U.S.A. companies came), but also because they clash with our culture in negative ways.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by askonomm »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

I love the mention of "innovation". What innovation? All the areas of innovation that matter to the EU people, the U.S does not have. 0 federal paid holidays, almost non existent maternity leave, encourages unpaid overtime (something that is illegal in most of EU). Innovation in regards to corporations ability to screw over their own people for monetary gain is not something we're interested in, that's the U.S mindset - money and success before anything else, including personal freedom, employee rights, and so forth.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by kmlx »

askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

> that's not the culture EU has

clearly:

https://www.flossbachvonstorch-researchinstitute.com/fileadm...

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by irdc »

In another article (https://nos.nl/l/2534629, Dutch language) Uber claimed to have been talking to the Autoriteit Persoonsgegevens about what they said was an “unclear law”. Via iOS Translate:

> A spokesperson for Uber explains to the NOS that they have also contacted the AP themselves about the ambiguity surrounding the privacy rules. Then, according to Uber, the watchdog didn't say that the company violated the rules.

Which is all fine and dandy but the rule really is that if it’s not clear to you (as a rich and well-lawyered company) that something is permitted, that doesn’t give you the right to then do it.

And yes, the fine really has to be this high: fines can never be just a part of doing business; colouring within the lines has to have the attention of everybody involved, from the shareholders on down.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by croes »

llm_trw wrote: post #12
anonzzzies wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too much money here to leave it behind. This is a slap on the wrist anyway.

Thats what the Chinese through during the industrial revolution.

But the west came back for cheap labor so a win for China in the long term

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by mettamage »

askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Instances like this really make me feel that capitalism is devoid of any morality. If there's no law guarding it, a company will abuse its power in order to make more money. It could be a morally good thing, a morally bad thing, it doesn't matter: more money is more money.

It feels heartless. I wish there was a better system.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by Etheryte »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

It's almost funny whenever this argument comes up. In most EU countries Uber isn't even the biggest ride hailing provider. In this space and every other, there's plenty of competition that would celebrate if any company left the market. There is no figurative void that would be left behind.
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