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UK's largest mobile network tells parents: don't give under-11s smartphones

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Re: UK's largest mobile network tells parents: don't give under-11s smartphones

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"Under-11s we feel should not be given access to smartphones. They don't need the usage of a smartphone and, actually, a feature phone - or a dumb phone, as some people call them - is more suitable."

Who are these nobodies lecturing us how to parent? I could care less how they feel and there's a clear conflict of interest. It's a bad precedent when some policy maker crawls from under the rug to explain what is "suitable"

Re: UK's largest mobile network tells parents: don't give under-11s smartphones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly feels like social media interactions should be restricted to older children. 13yo seems to be a common cutoff for administering one's own online accounts with various exceptions for many countries [1]. Perhaps social media should be restricted to those entering their penultimate year of Secondary / High school and be accompanied with some form of tuition / certification? (Along the lines of social media…

Putting aside the privacy issues of requiring identification... what does 'social media' mean exactly? Safe to assume Facebook and Instagram are included. Probably YouTube? What about Hacker News? Discord? Online games? There's always a lot of discussion about how bad and scary "social media" is, but I've never really gotten a clear definition of what that actually is.

The Web (like the world) is constantly changing. If you're interested in mitigating the potential harms of social media, you're going to have to form a definition of "social media" that fits with your own goals and values, and the goals and values you set for your kids. Then, evaluate from there.

Re: UK's largest mobile network tells parents: don't give under-11s smartphones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting aside the privacy issues of requiring identification... what does 'social media' mean exactly? Safe to assume Facebook and Instagram are included. Probably YouTube? What about Hacker News? Discord? Online games? There's always a lot of discussion about how bad and scary "social media" is, but I've never really gotten a clear definition of what that actually is.

The Web (like the world) is constantly changing. If you're interested in mitigating the potential harms of social media, you're going to have to form a definition of "social media" that fits with your own goals and values, and the goals and values you set for your kids. Then, evaluate from there.

I agree. This comes down to parents letting their kids use this stuff.

The problem is that some people (and/or companies, organizations, etc) seem to think that they can apply their values on the rest of us with privacy-destroying legislation.

Re: UK's largest mobile network tells parents: don't give under-11s smartphones

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Looks like a trick, because it is not even better to give 12s or even 14s a smartphone.

It certainly feels like social media interactions should be restricted to older children. 13yo seems to be a common cutoff for administering one's own online accounts with various exceptions for many countries [1]. Perhaps social media should be restricted to those entering their penultimate year of Secondary / High school and be accompanied with some form of tuition / certification? (Along the lines of social media…

Personally, as someone who moderated a large forum for a couple years, I'd personally put the cutoff at at least 14. 13 year olds are by far the most annoying demographic I had to deal with. 12 year olds would generally behave, as would 14 year olds. 13 is somehow a magic age where a lot of the online annoyances source from.
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