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What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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Less emissions but more waste.

Germany still hasn't a Nuclear waste repository. The time plan shifted now to somewhere after 2070.

And all this doesn't possible terror attacks and sabotage into account.

Can't remember any fears about rockets hitting Ukrainian wind turbines.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

#12

ABSTRACT: Germany has one of the most ambitious energy transition policies dubbed ‘Die Energiewende’ to replace nuclear- and fossil power with renewables such as wind-, solar- and biopower. The climate gas emissions are reduced by 25% in the study period of 2002 through 2022. By triangulating available information sources, the total nominal expenditures are estimated at EUR 387 bn, and the associated subsidies are so…

We won't settle this debate (and I'm not against nuclear), but it's a discussion around "Do I need fire insurance when my house has a low chance to burn down" and should I use the money for something else. If it doesn't burn down, you look great. If it burns down, you look like an idiot. I think people will not understand (some|most) Germans if you haven't lived through Chernobyl and Pershing-II days, dying forrests…

Germany is stationing nuclear capable missiles again, with the approval of the Green Party, which had been at the forefront of the anti Pershing-II protests but is now a war party:

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-shrugs-off-putin-comments-on-u...

If that is possible, why not pebble bed reactors?

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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ABSTRACT: Germany has one of the most ambitious energy transition policies dubbed ‘Die Energiewende’ to replace nuclear- and fossil power with renewables such as wind-, solar- and biopower. The climate gas emissions are reduced by 25% in the study period of 2002 through 2022. By triangulating available information sources, the total nominal expenditures are estimated at EUR 387 bn, and the associated subsidies are so…

I always supported nuclear power. It's just the best we have right now. Renewable power is all good and all, but technology is not there yet. Plus, many people in support of green energy never think about all the mining done for this and how it impacts and often destroys environments. It's OK when it's not your environment being hurt. :-) Anyways, nuclear power is safer than people think. And most, if not all, nuclea…

> Renewable power is all good and all, but technology is not there yet.

Actually it is and here is the best summary explaining why I know of:

https://www.volts.wtf/p/what-the-sun-isnt-always-shining

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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post #11

Less emissions but more waste. Germany still hasn't a Nuclear waste repository. The time plan shifted now to somewhere after 2070. And all this doesn't possible terror attacks and sabotage into account. Can't remember any fears about rockets hitting Ukrainian wind turbines.

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Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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ABSTRACT: Germany has one of the most ambitious energy transition policies dubbed ‘Die Energiewende’ to replace nuclear- and fossil power with renewables such as wind-, solar- and biopower. The climate gas emissions are reduced by 25% in the study period of 2002 through 2022. By triangulating available information sources, the total nominal expenditures are estimated at EUR 387 bn, and the associated subsidies are so…

I always supported nuclear power. It's just the best we have right now. Renewable power is all good and all, but technology is not there yet. Plus, many people in support of green energy never think about all the mining done for this and how it impacts and often destroys environments. It's OK when it's not your environment being hurt. :-) Anyways, nuclear power is safer than people think. And most, if not all, nuclea…

> most, if not all, nuclear power disasters were due to human error

How is this less of an issue? Are modern reactors not built and operated by humans? We have better sensors and more digital components now, which reduce the risk. But the risk for a wind turbine is, and always was, zero.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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I've always wondered how big of a part Soviet Union / Russia psych ops played in stirring this completely irrational anti-nuclear mentality. The side-effect of getting Germany hooked on Russian gas was extremely convenient to them. Of course the Chernobyl disaster played some part, but it didn't result in such irrationality in most other surrounding countries. Perhaps the anti-war mentality and guilt from the horrors…

If Chernobyl didn't blow up due to stupidity the KGB would have to sabotage it.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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post #7

I've always wondered how big of a part Soviet Union / Russia psych ops played in stirring this completely irrational anti-nuclear mentality. The side-effect of getting Germany hooked on Russian gas was extremely convenient to them. Of course the Chernobyl disaster played some part, but it didn't result in such irrationality in most other surrounding countries. Perhaps the anti-war mentality and guilt from the horrors…

Russia did nothing in that respect. The original anti nuclear protests were authentic.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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post #7

I've always wondered how big of a part Soviet Union / Russia psych ops played in stirring this completely irrational anti-nuclear mentality. The side-effect of getting Germany hooked on Russian gas was extremely convenient to them. Of course the Chernobyl disaster played some part, but it didn't result in such irrationality in most other surrounding countries. Perhaps the anti-war mentality and guilt from the horrors…

EU, one of the most successful peace projects of human history, is based on the idea that tight economic integration leads to peace.

Obviously not working out in full with Russia, and I think Germany could've put themselves in a far better situation energy wise. But, it still stands that the core purpose of EU has been fulfilled. And very easy to judge in hindsight.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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post #7

I've always wondered how big of a part Soviet Union / Russia psych ops played in stirring this completely irrational anti-nuclear mentality. The side-effect of getting Germany hooked on Russian gas was extremely convenient to them. Of course the Chernobyl disaster played some part, but it didn't result in such irrationality in most other surrounding countries. Perhaps the anti-war mentality and guilt from the horrors…

The anti-nuclear mentality is driven by mid-70s/early-80s Pershing-II, Chernobyl, Wackersdorf, Waldsterben and red terrorism, which created identity for large groups of Germans alongside trauma.

"most other surrounding countries."

Except Austria no other country had as much fallout after Chernobyl (in the West, and it was silenced in Eastern Europe, see GDR) - especially Southern Germany (Chernobyl happened around Wackersdorf riots in Bavaria).

Is US gun policy idiotic? Yes, but large groups of Americans have tied their identity to it, and can't give it up. Look at anti-nuclear opinion in Germany the same way.

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