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Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by reyqn »

oddevan wrote: post #10

> Browsers should be allowed to know if they are the current default browser. No. No no no no no. Once my default is set, it is SET. I don't want Safari or Chrome or Firefox or $UNKNOWN_FOURTH_OPTION to prompt me every single time to make it my default browser. I just want the browser to know that it is running. Period. Is there any good reason for the browser to know whether it's the default? Serious question. Becau…

The only reason I would see is when your default browser was changed without your consent by your OS (Windows). Then when you launch your browser it can remind you it's not the default anymore. But that's a reason that solves a problem which shouldn't exist.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by deafpolygon »

“The choice screen should be moved to device setup or upon device update rather than upon first use of the gatekeepers browser.”

They want the browsers to be pre-installed? You know that people are just going to install whatever “sounds cool” to them on first install without knowing anything about their choice. How is that freedom? Why not establish “sane” defaults, then give the choice to them later on?

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by drivingmenuts »

39896880 wrote: post #2

Sensible changes, I just hope it doesn’t turn into a system whereby I’m required to make a choice for every aspect of my OS.

That's where it's headed, though. As vendors attempt to insert themselves between the phone and user in every way possible. It makes sense - they have a business and they want to make money off the user, but that doesn't mean it's not going to be bad for the user.

With choice comes the responsibility to actually understand what you're choosing, but I'm pretty sure most users don't bother. For now, they'll just have to listen to the FUD from browser vendors - eventually it will be for every aspect of the OS.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by al_borland »

miohtama wrote: post #3

Is this the same as Microsoft was forced to do back in a way with Windows (and their Internet Explorer monopoly)? If I recall correctly it boosted other browsers greatly. … only to have Google to force feed “You should install Chrome” on every Google search page.

>… only to have Google to force feed “You should install Chrome” on every Google search page.

And in Gmail. Also, what I find most egregious is when in the Gmail or Google Maps app on my phone, if I tap a link it prompts me to open in Chrome, Safari, or my default browser. I don’t even have Chrome installed, but rather than just opening the link, it tries to get users to go to the App Store and download Chrome.

There is an option to remember the choice, but it doesn’t. It still asks me all the time.

What’s the point of a default browser if Chrome is going to pop-up and ask what browser I want to use anyway, and create friction until the user complies. I haven’t tried it (and won’t on principle at this point), but I’m betting if I download Chrome and make it my default, that prompt will go away.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by dylan604 »

bitpush wrote: post #15
burnerthrow008 wrote: post #9

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What sort of person goes againt their on interests and simps for a multi billion dollar company?

Is this a new version of those famous questions like "Who's buried in Grant's tomb?" or "What color was Washington's white horse?"

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by pbronez »

burnerthrow008 wrote: post #9

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I'm not very familiar with OWA - what is your critique?

Their recommendations seem grounded in a very detailed assessment of how Apple's compliance with the EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) https://open-web-advocacy.org/apple-dma-review/

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by kees99 »

oddevan wrote: post #10

> Browsers should be allowed to know if they are the current default browser. No. No no no no no. Once my default is set, it is SET. I don't want Safari or Chrome or Firefox or $UNKNOWN_FOURTH_OPTION to prompt me every single time to make it my default browser. I just want the browser to know that it is running. Period. Is there any good reason for the browser to know whether it's the default? Serious question. Becau…

Strong agree. This whining behavior is out of control.

E.g., I don't have xdg on one of my systems, so "default browser" is not a meaningful concept there. Still, the only browser I have, keeps showing me the sad-face "Firefox is not your default" prompt.

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