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Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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> the nation’s flagship > one of its most iconic symbols Kind of wild spin from the owners, it's just a cruise ship. It can't be an "iconic symbol" if essentially nobody in the country has ever heard of it.

It wasn't a cruise ship. It was a fast ocean liner. An obsolete concept. Business class, US to UK, at high speed. Only 3.5 days!

The SS United States was famous, but a long time ago. Back when Elvis and the Beatles mattered.

Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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post #11
post #8

> the nation’s flagship > one of its most iconic symbols Kind of wild spin from the owners, it's just a cruise ship. It can't be an "iconic symbol" if essentially nobody in the country has ever heard of it.

It wasn't a cruise ship. It was a fast ocean liner. An obsolete concept. Business class, US to UK, at high speed. Only 3.5 days! The SS United States was famous, but a long time ago. Back when Elvis and the Beatles mattered.

I know it's different, just trying to find the closest modern comparison. You bring up Elvis and the Beatles, but they still matter to quite a few people. This ship does not, and that doesn't mean it's worthless, but it does mean that it's not a national icon that the president should step in to save.

Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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post #8

> the nation’s flagship > one of its most iconic symbols Kind of wild spin from the owners, it's just a cruise ship. It can't be an "iconic symbol" if essentially nobody in the country has ever heard of it.

It's egregious that this conservancy group can waste the time of the city's government on something that is trash when A) there is a LOT of historical shit that needs preserving in Philly and B) the city has •actual• problems (highest rate of extreme poverty of any large city in America). Something tells me if I parked a "historical" no-start '88 Ranger outside of a board member's Main Line McMansion that it would be promptly removed.

Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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That's sad. For decades now, there have been restoration proposals for the S.S. United States. But none went anywhere. It was a great ship, the fastest ocean liner ever. 3 days, 10 hours and 40 minutes from New York to Southampton. But once aircraft could make the trip, that speed wasn't a good selling point. The S.S. United States was built to military standards, with some government funding so it could be used as a…

It has the propulsion system of a Midway-class aircraft carrier.

Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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The dispute over the huge ship has been in and out of court – a magnified version of what to do with possessions that have no useful purpose but are held on to for reasons that cannot be articulated or clearly remembered. Article author has some thoughts and opinions on the matter, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States I think the "Well There's Your Problem" podcast mentioned this ship in a recent episode. Fastest ship for its day; I thought it was nuclear-powered, but apparently not?

You're thinking of NS Savannah.

Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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The dispute over the huge ship has been in and out of court – a magnified version of what to do with possessions that have no useful purpose but are held on to for reasons that cannot be articulated or clearly remembered. Article author has some thoughts and opinions on the matter, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States I think the "Well There's Your Problem" podcast mentioned this ship in a recent episode. Fastest ship for its day; I thought it was nuclear-powered, but apparently not?

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Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States I think the "Well There's Your Problem" podcast mentioned this ship in a recent episode. Fastest ship for its day; I thought it was nuclear-powered, but apparently not?

You're thinking of NS Savannah.

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Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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post #11
post #8

> the nation’s flagship > one of its most iconic symbols Kind of wild spin from the owners, it's just a cruise ship. It can't be an "iconic symbol" if essentially nobody in the country has ever heard of it.

It wasn't a cruise ship. It was a fast ocean liner. An obsolete concept. Business class, US to UK, at high speed. Only 3.5 days! The SS United States was famous, but a long time ago. Back when Elvis and the Beatles mattered.

The point stands though. Warships that served the nation and have actual name recognition have trouble raising funds to stay afloat as museums. Keeping some unheard of commercial vessel afloat as a floating ballroom or whatever seems totally unrealistic.

Incidentally, if you're ever in Philly, check out the USS Olympia. There aren't many ships from that era (late 19th) still around. Really cool ship.

Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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I sometimes worry that, as a country, we hoard historical artifacts.

We can't live in the past.

Maybe the best thing to do is to take what monies are available, cut a part out, and put it somewhere its wanted. Otherwise, just accept that holding on to this ship is hoarding, and we need to dispose of it.

Re: Judge orders removal of 1,000ft rotting ocean liner from Philadelphia pier

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> the nation’s flagship > one of its most iconic symbols Kind of wild spin from the owners, it's just a cruise ship. It can't be an "iconic symbol" if essentially nobody in the country has ever heard of it.

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