Why do we want to be anonymous? I think if we look at it closely it is for self-centered reasons. We want the video platform but we don't want the ads to know who we are so we don't have to deal with spam (IE pay for the platform we want). We want to comment without editing what we say (troll) and not worry about the repercussions. The best moral reason I can come up with is to avoid sharing personal details that can be tracked back to us or used against us. Before the internet this was called a secret. You just didn't tell anyone. Generally there are ways around all the anonymity concerns that just involve abstaining or giving up feeling entitled to getting things for free or being able to dump our negativity on other "anonymous" people. What's wrong with traceability in all things. If we want to make the internet safer accountability works IRL why not online?
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I agree. Complete anonymity is bullshit. Internet should be pseudoanonymous. I mean, users should have static IP and thats it. Getting additional information about IP should be limited to law enforcement gov organizations (crime fighting). Users should build they reputation on internet. If someone is asshole, then ok, expect to be banned on most places. Right now people do NOT care, because they are quite anonymous.…
> Getting additional information about IP should be limited to law enforcement gov organizations (crime fighting). How would that work in practice? Wouldn't companies like Google and Facebook still have so much user data as to effectively know everything they need about user IPs? > Users should build they reputation on internet. If someone is asshole, then ok, expect to be banned on most places. Right now people do N…
They only know more because people are careless, providing them all the data.
That is out of the scope. If you are careless, bad things can happen.
As for censorship, thet already can do it easy. Block domain for example of site when you publish you. Just try it yourself, setup up VPS w/ web that is very out of align with your gov. :)
Re: Private Internet
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Getting additional information about IP should be limited to law enforcement gov organizations (crime fighting). How would that work in practice? Wouldn't companies like Google and Facebook still have so much user data as to effectively know everything they need about user IPs? > Users should build they reputation on internet. If someone is asshole, then ok, expect to be banned on most places. Right now people do N…
They only know more because people are careless, providing them all the data. That is out of the scope. If you are careless, bad things can happen. As for censorship, thet already can do it easy. Block domain for example of site when you publish you. Just try it yourself, setup up VPS w/ web that is very out of align with your gov. :)
> They only know more because people are careless, providing them all the data. That is out of the scope. If you are careless, bad things can happen.
Anyone seriously interested in not providing any data likely isn't using the internet at all though they're already fine regardless of IP tracking. There are very few types of online service that don't require some kind of data to be useful, whether its a user login, email address, or search queries.
> As for censorship, thet already can do it easy. Block domain for example of site when you publish you. Just try it yourself, setup up VPS w/ web that is very out of align with your gov. :)
That's a single point of attack though. The government can censor my website by forcing infrastructure companies to block it. Unless I misunderstood your earlier message though, a central authority gate keeping IP data would almost certainly lead to a single entity having the power to block me from the internet entirely.
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> User X just sent 1 million packets in the last 5 seconds! Shut him down! How can you tell the difference between participating in a DoS versus uploading a file?
As long as we're redesigning the entire internet, make it so that a computer can request from its upstream that it no longer receive packets from a source. That upstream can request the same from its upstream and so on. I'm surprised this doesn't already exist honestly.
A sort of blacklist that propagates upstream, progressing thru DNS to final IP ranges. A preponderance of evidence gets a range banned until compliance is evident. Sounds good!
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They only know more because people are careless, providing them all the data. That is out of the scope. If you are careless, bad things can happen. As for censorship, thet already can do it easy. Block domain for example of site when you publish you. Just try it yourself, setup up VPS w/ web that is very out of align with your gov. :)
> They only know more because people are careless, providing them all the data. That is out of the scope. If you are careless, bad things can happen. Anyone seriously interested in not providing any data likely isn't using the internet at all though they're already fine regardless of IP tracking. There are very few types of online service that don't require some kind of data to be useful, whether its a user login, em…
If you have better solution. I am all ears.
I am myself not interested in providing any data to those companies and I am still using Internet. Yeah, I am avoid FAANG and related sites tho. Not that I am feeling Im loosing anything importand really...
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#16Most of these proposals would probably make the internet a worse place rather than a better one. Complete anonymity on L3 would result in all tracking being on L7 instead. Right now at least most people can use Google/YouTube/most other websites without creating an account. With complete anonymity, it's all but certain that all of these would need to be gated by account creation to prevent abuse. This would actively…
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> Most of these proposals would probably make the internet a worse place rather than a better one. Nice try, Google. But more seriously: > Complete anonymity on L3 would result in all tracking being on L7 instead Good. Then we the users will have more control over it, and outright shut any tracking down. Even using a PiHole might become a thing of the past in this new reality, while also preserving anonymity and bein…
> User X just sent 1 million packets in the last 5 seconds! Shut him down! How can you tell the difference between participating in a DoS versus uploading a file?
I don't think any file uploading software will send 1 million packets in 5 seconds. They will likely be several dozens of big packets.