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It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

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Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

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Overconsolidating is bad, but the article's chain of logic falls apart for me because it doesn't actually make any connection to indicate that these companies wouldn't make even more money by building more homes, while ignoring that local permitting and approval process have gotten ever more pricey and complicated over even just the past two decades.

For the extreme example, take a look at San Francisco, which has approved a grand total of 16 housing units so far this year (https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-only-agreed-build-16-...). Only a tiny margin of ultra-high-price housing can even be sustainable, let alone profitable, in that environment.

Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

#12
> tax the land of lot developers so they don’t hold land off the market.

This is something I dealt with a few years ago. There were a few acreage lots (5-15 acres) my partner and I were considering buying and building a house on, and all of them had been in the $200k range a year or two before but had been bought by land speculators (in some cases by the same person). Prices went from ~$200k to ~$750k, which we weren't interested in.

Most of them sold. One of the larger lots was around $350k and is still for sale, now for almost $2 million.

I don't think developers should be forced to sell land just because I want to buy it, but the taxes they pay on their empty lots is extremely low. I checked on a couple of the ~$750k lots, and the taxes were something like $115 per year. At that rate, it costs the developer/speculator basically nothing to hold onto it while prices rise.

If lots like this were taxed at, say, 20x the current rate for lots that are near areas that are being built up and are ready to be bought, then there would be a stronger incentive for the owners to sell to people who are ready to build and start paying property taxes. It seems like such an increase would benefit everyone except the speculators.

Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

#13
This paragraph looks wrong. "In 2005, when D.R. Horton sold a record number of homes, it made $1.47 billion. In 2023, when it built roughly half as many, its profit was a little over three times as high, or $4.7 billion. "

It did not build half as many homes, it was 82917 homes in 2023 vs. 51172 in 2005. Also, the profit number should be corrected for inflation when comparing across almost 2 decades.

Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

#14
Fun fact: About 89% of Canada's land area (8,886,356 km² or 3,431,041 sq mi) is Crown land: 41% is federal Crown land and 48% is provincial Crown land. The remaining 11% is privately owned. For example, 92% of Quebec, 87% of Ontario, 95% of Newfoundland and Labrador, and 94% of the land in British Columbia are Crown land. So when you “buy” land, you actually become a tenant to the Crown. If you don’t pay the property taxes, “your” property can be registered for sale. The laws around properties in Canada are extremely complicated and stupid. A friend of mine, after building their house and wanting to connect the sewer to the municipal one, was required to pay more than $50k! After 2 years, they ended up having a septic tank instead.

Unfortunately, there’s no hope to fix the housing issue in a democratic way because the majority of the voters are landlords. The only possible solution is like Japan (where houses are depreciated assets) by having centralized control over housing, zoning, permits, and everything to maintain a flat price. Other than that, the future is grim for young people or anyone who doesn’t already own a house. I remember a year ago I saw a mortgage here in Canada of 70 years, so if you bought a house at 30, you will become a Crown tenant by 100!

(1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_land

Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

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post #5

No shortage of land in the US, but everyone wants to live in the same few places (for good reason), and those places have a lot of restrictions on what can be built where. It's satisfying to blame a big bad "them" for this, but the problem is "us". We all want our properties to increase in value so we collectively conspire to suppress supply that would make our properties less valuable.

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Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

#16

  Nearly 40% of the United States is public land, supported by taxpayers and managed by federal, state, or local governments. -- https://headwaterseconomics.org/public-lands/protected-lands/public-land-ownership-in-the-us/
Allocating a few more percentage points of that for housing could have a large effect on prices.

Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

#17
post #2

Cornering the market, or a sufficiently large portion of it, doesn't necessarily drive prices higher. Demand plus cheap credit (and Wall Street shenanigans) are at least as much to blame.

This is maybe a stupid question, but if credit is cheap, shouldn’t it be easier to finance a housebuilding operation? In the very low interest rates from say 2008-2020, I think we saw less housebuilding in the United States than before.

Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

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post #5

No shortage of land in the US, but everyone wants to live in the same few places (for good reason), and those places have a lot of restrictions on what can be built where. It's satisfying to blame a big bad "them" for this, but the problem is "us". We all want our properties to increase in value so we collectively conspire to suppress supply that would make our properties less valuable.

Land and homes also make for excellent inflation hedges; thus, property owners become advocates for money printing and suppressed interest rates.

Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

#19
post #12

> tax the land of lot developers so they don’t hold land off the market. This is something I dealt with a few years ago. There were a few acreage lots (5-15 acres) my partner and I were considering buying and building a house on, and all of them had been in the $200k range a year or two before but had been bought by land speculators (in some cases by the same person). Prices went from ~$200k to ~$750k, which we weren…

> It seems like such an increase would benefit everyone except the speculators.

Correct, a simple power law tax formula on unimproved/vacant land that forever increases the cost to hold onto land near and in the middle of population centers would do wonders.

Re: It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives high housing prices

#20
>And I realized that to call these businesses “homebuilders” is misleading. It’s striking how little of their business has to do with, well, building. For instance, here’s D.R. Horton in 2023: “Substantially all of our land development and home construction work is performed by subcontractors.” Here’s Lennar in 2023: “We use independent subcontractors for most aspects of land development and home construction.” I suspect most of the other big guys would say something similar. These aren’t builders, they are financiers that borrow cheaper than real developers and use that cheap credit to speculate in land, hiring contractors to do the work. They are, in other words, middlemen.

This is pretty far out there. They are the general contractor and have substantial value add to the project.

Most of the rest of the article is misunderstandings like that.

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