11–20 of 28 posts
You might also find this interesting: a post I wrote on the topic last year: From Gothic Invaders to Mall Goths. How an ancient Germanic tribe gave its name to a modern subculture. https://onthearts.com/p/from-gothic-invaders-to-mall-goths
You might also find this interesting: a post I wrote on the topic last year: From Gothic Invaders to Mall Goths. How an ancient Germanic tribe gave its name to a modern subculture. https://onthearts.com/p/from-gothic-invaders-to-mall-goths
Doesn’t really connect the dots. For example suggest the Gothic disappers beween Victorianism and The Doors, completely missing the horror movies which was a major influence on the aesthetic.
While the Gothic didn’t disappear entirely after the Victorian Era, it was largely pushed aside by Modernism and related movements for most of the early 20th century.
It was only by the 1960s that the Gothic ideal began to make a resurgence – this time via music.
This is pretty standard history. Modernism dominated most art forms at the time.
But yes, films were an influence as well. I couldn’t include every influence on the genre as the post would be novel length. The ending part is a bit condensed as a result as I wasn’t trying to explain the intricacies of modern goth culture, just show how the word traveled through time. It’s been awhile since I wrote the post but IIRC the films didn’t play a direct role in transferring the use of the word gothic itself, as they were primarily referred to as horror films.
You might also find this interesting: a post I wrote on the topic last year: From Gothic Invaders to Mall Goths. How an ancient Germanic tribe gave its name to a modern subculture. https://onthearts.com/p/from-gothic-invaders-to-mall-goths
They say fashion goes in cycles. That cycle is ~ 20 years to start and ~ 30!years to complete, the approximate time it takes for a generation of teenagers to raid their parents old shit. Which just so happen to hit the second hand market around the same time. 1984 -> 2004 -> 2024. Emo and goth cycles. 1964 -> 1984 -> 2004 -> 2024. First, second, third, and… fourth? waves of ska.
There is an excellent Goth festival in Germany, I'm visiting every year since about 2012. https://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/english/
Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is “substance”? Since Walpole built a fake gothic caste, it have always been about appearance.
Fake? !! If you kick it, does not your toe swell? * * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_stone To address your point fairly, the Goths of the 80s had their music and their appearance whereas the Goths of Tik-Tok have their music (that music of the 80s) and mostly their appearance ... ergo more of the same with less and less that's original.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a long arc with a barely addressed tail end. I read somewhere within the past few months an entertaining take on how Goth culture of Bauhaus and the 80s has little to do with Hot Topic mall rat goth of the 90's and even less with recent naughties Goths of Tik-Tok .. less and less substance, more and more appearence. In the Venn diagram of Goth|not-Goth there's more than a few lucky trifecta's, eg: https://www.…
Eh it’s a big topic and the post was already getting too long. You are right that mall goths are less interested in the “ethos” of the previous subculture and more interested in the surface appearance, but I think that probably applies to every subculture of modern times.
(unfortunately, just about the time it becomes much easier to tell a shaggy dog story that ends with the phrase "don't you hurry with the furry with the syringe on top", it becomes much harder to expect anyone to understand the spoonerism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIG_GVE-KiE )
EDIT: well, yes, of course: Disney, Avery, Warner, etc. animators. but other than them, [and other than Ovid?] have there ever been any old-school furries?
There is an excellent Goth festival in Germany, I'm visiting every year since about 2012. https://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/english/
I went once and it was very fun. It's about time I tried to arrange a group to go again.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn’t really connect the dots. For example suggest the Gothic disappers beween Victorianism and The Doors, completely missing the horror movies which was a major influence on the aesthetic.
I didn’t suggest that the Gothic disappeared between the Victorians and The Doors: While the Gothic didn’t disappear entirely after the Victorian Era, it was largely pushed aside by Modernism and related movements for most of the early 20th century. It was only by the 1960s that the Gothic ideal began to make a resurgence – this time via music. This is pretty standard history. Modernism dominated most art forms at th…
Not sure what “standard history” you are relying on, but gothic horror was a major influence on movies (and other popular media like comics). Modernism is a somewat nebolous term, but German expressionism seem to be generally categorized as modernism, even when the movies are clearly gothic horror (eg Nosferatu is heavily based on Dracula, they just couldn’t secure the rights to the novel, so changed the name).