Did the contract between defcon and EE include working firmware? If Dmitry rescinds the license, is the deliverable now even more short of specification?
Entropic Engineering DEFCON 32 Statement
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#12I'm struggling to reconcile this response vs the Bitcoin address "Easter egg" and the other claims in the prior article ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41211519 ), and a few other aspects. Such a gross "oversight" does not reflect the care they're claiming to have exercised. This part also seems a tad over the top and dramatic: > We are especially grateful that Dmitry was not hurt in the physical removal he wa…
> So I'm left uncertain which story is to be trusted here
I mean, it seems pretty clear to me that defcon is in the wrong here, and everything else is just drama.
Filing the serial numbers off to hide that EE was to credit for it, getting f’d at a hidden screen that credited them.
Come on, fuck off. EE did the work here. Not crediting them sucks.
The rest of the stuff, I really dont care about, but you can’t put a ribbon on what they did. Remastering the injection mold cast? Removing the logo? That sucks.
:(
Give credit where credit is due.
If you didn’t make it, don’t try to pretend you did.
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#13Related:
Defcon stiffs badge HW vendor, drags FW author offstage during talk
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it reasonable to expect better of a prominent institution like DEFCON than from some other typical company?
No. I have been in (minor, our fault, it all worked out, though not the way I wanted it to) commercial disputes with this organization in the past. They are not fucking around. Look, I've got two things going on with this whole story: First, it's pretty clear that Dmitry (a name I know only from HN from the past couple days) deliberately arranged the showdown with the Goons. He got what he wanted. Nobody should be cl…
From what I understand... it's possible that while Dmitry may have wanted to help Entropic, what ended up happening is Dmitry burned bridges for Entropic. Entropic by now has no choice but to come out with a statement since from their perspective, Defcon was already throwing their name under the bus, basically saying Entropic exercised bad faith and incompetence.
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#15I'm struggling to reconcile this response vs the Bitcoin address "Easter egg" and the other claims in the prior article ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41211519 ), and a few other aspects. Such a gross "oversight" does not reflect the care they're claiming to have exercised. This part also seems a tad over the top and dramatic: > We are especially grateful that Dmitry was not hurt in the physical removal he wa…
> So I'm left uncertain which story is to be trusted here I mean, it seems pretty clear to me that defcon is in the wrong here, and everything else is just drama. Filing the serial numbers off to hide that EE was to credit for it, getting f’d at a hidden screen that credited them. Come on, fuck off. EE did the work here. Not crediting them sucks. The rest of the stuff, I really dont care about, but you can’t put a ri…
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#16Do this look like someone mistook budget allotted by a magnitude, or was too scared to speak up until it's too late and situation had to be escalated to (no offense)an adult to initiate shutdown?
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it reasonable to expect better of a prominent institution like DEFCON than from some other typical company?
No. I have been in (minor, our fault, it all worked out, though not the way I wanted it to) commercial disputes with this organization in the past. They are not fucking around. Look, I've got two things going on with this whole story: First, it's pretty clear that Dmitry (a name I know only from HN from the past couple days) deliberately arranged the showdown with the Goons. He got what he wanted. Nobody should be cl…
> They are not fucking around.
How would you feel that reading that line of yours made my eyes roll?
You’re mocking this guy for creating drama, then you go and say these conference organizers are some dramatic hyperbole. “The only valid drama is my drama.” It’s the pot calling the kettle black!
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. I have been in (minor, our fault, it all worked out, though not the way I wanted it to) commercial disputes with this organization in the past. They are not fucking around. Look, I've got two things going on with this whole story: First, it's pretty clear that Dmitry (a name I know only from HN from the past couple days) deliberately arranged the showdown with the Goons. He got what he wanted. Nobody should be cl…
> They are not fucking around. How would you feel that reading that line of yours made my eyes roll? You’re mocking this guy for creating drama, then you go and say these conference organizers are some dramatic hyperbole. “The only valid drama is my drama.” It’s the pot calling the kettle black!
I mean that they're serious about business, not "there's a lot of holes in the desert".
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#19Do this look like someone mistook budget allotted by a magnitude, or was too scared to speak up until it's too late and situation had to be escalated to (no offense)an adult to initiate shutdown?
I was thinking it may have been something like that. But it's still shitty to a) wait until the project is complete to tell them they're not getting paid, and b) erase credit (I don't see any good justification for this. It's literally the reason they were getting a discount in the first place, and they went to quite some effort to do it)
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#20I regret that I have only two eyes to roll at this: We are especially grateful that Dmitry was not hurt in the physical removal he was subjected to as a result of his demonstration of solidarity. We want to extend our thanks to all attendees who have been asking questions, reaching out, attending surprise side-walk cons, displaying the about page badge on the con floor, and, especially, keeping a community eye on law…
Just here to point out that security is generally made of random goobers volunteering for shirts, and other things.