That's an interesting post. It can be read two completely different ways.
Of course this company is for sale
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#12So whatever happened to Wildseed?
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#13So whatever happened to Wildseed?
Wildseed was bought by AOL in 2005.
http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/AOL-buys-mobile-so...
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#14> "Not everyone thinks about their company this way. I have a good friend who is running a very successful startup with a fantastic future ahead. He told me – and I quite believe him – that he would sell the company for a billion dollars over his dead body." I don't think this friend is really different from Eric. Both companies are for sale, just at different price points. A startup that isn't for sale is one where…
In this episode of TWiS[1]dhh claims he would never sell 37signals, it's an interesting discussion about this exact topic.
[1] http://thisweekin.com/thisweekin-startups/twist-46-with-davi...
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#15So whatever happened to Wildseed?
There was some great innovation that happened at Wildseed. The inverted design made it easy to type with your thumb. The Smart Skins not only changed the look of the device (they wrapped around and clipped on to the body), but there was an Atmel smart card chip embedded in the plastic that would change your wallpaper, ringtones, etc. once it was clipped on. There were RGB LEDs behind each key on the keypad so you would run "visualizers". These could act like a three bar sound meter for your music, for example. Of course, with all of the innovation, what we didn't anticipate was that smart phones were just around the corner...
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#16He was extremely clear that anything less than a multibillion dollar IPO was a pathetic failure, and he’d resign before he’d let such an abomination happen. So his startup is not actually for sale. An IPO is essentially a partial sale. But, really, if someone came and offered him $30bn right now, would he sell? If so, it's for sale (and, yep, there are certainly people who would never sell certain things at any price…
Wouldn't it be better to start the anchor price a little lower?
http://themarketingspot.com/2009/08/three-predictably-irrati...
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#17He was extremely clear that anything less than a multibillion dollar IPO was a pathetic failure, and he’d resign before he’d let such an abomination happen. So his startup is not actually for sale. An IPO is essentially a partial sale. But, really, if someone came and offered him $30bn right now, would he sell? If so, it's for sale (and, yep, there are certainly people who would never sell certain things at any price…
Wouldn't it be better to start the anchor price a little lower? http://themarketingspot.com/2009/08/three-predictably-irrati...
That would defeat the point of the joke
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#18Some things are not be for sale. I own a replica of Jackie Robinson’s Kansas City Monarchs Negro League Jersey. I wear it to baseball games (where else?)
I once was offered $100, cash for the jersey at a Blue Jays game. I said “no.” The offer was raised to $200. Again, no. I explained it wasn’t for sale. The fellow offering me the money explained that “everything was for sale.”
I find such people manipulative. They have money, so they try to twist the rest of the world to play by their rules. I told him that it would take me four hours to earn $200, so it was worth four hours to me, right? He agreed.
I told him he could have the jersey if he worked for me for four hours. End of conversation right there.
http://raganwald.posterous.com/this-jersey-is-not-for-sale
This may or may not apply to your dream startup.
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#19Many people start companies to make money. Other people start companies to build dreams.
As long as their dream is to solve a real problem I think you can do ok by it, but when you have someone dreaming about something that is useless, unless it is also your dream to build that useless thing, my advice would be to move on.
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#20Some things are not be for sale. I own a replica of Jackie Robinson’s Kansas City Monarchs Negro League Jersey. I wear it to baseball games (where else?) I once was offered $100, cash for the jersey at a Blue Jays game. I said “no.” The offer was raised to $200. Again, no. I explained it wasn’t for sale. The fellow offering me the money explained that “everything was for sale.” I find such people manipulative. They h…
Some people are stupid :-) He would have learned much working for you for four hours, and he would have a rare collectible jersey!
But I disagree with this "I find such people manipulative. They have money, so they try to twist the rest of the world to play by their rules."
Sometimes it is as you say, a sense of entitlement, however sometimes it was an opportunity they didn't have.
Let me share two anecdotes to illustrate, first we have old VAX parts. You know that architecture that Digital Equipment made around the turn of the century. During the big Y2K scare a lot of perfectly good VAX computers were dumped for scrap, I bought too many of those. But in putting together working examples for my collection I would have extra parts. Sometimes I'd sell those parts. I asked a guy who was buying a part from me for more money than I had paid for the entire system why he didn't do what I do and just pick up scrapped machines? His response was surprising. He related that he spent his time shipping stuff around the country, he made good money doing it. He used VAXes running his custom software to make that work. He spent his time doing what he was good at, and then using the extra money he made to occasionally go out and buy a VAX part. The money was fungible he could translate it into VAX hardware easily. If he subtracted off the money he would lose by spending his time buying up old machines and testing them instead of shipping stuff, and added back the money he saved by getting parts this way, he still came out behind just shipping stuff . So while I might think he was 'paying a lot' for a part, he was, in fact, saving money!
A more personal story, early in my marriage my wife and I would occasionally get into arguments about chores. (I'm sure this was unique to my marriage :-)) She wanted me to do a variety of chores, and I wanted to hire someone to do those same chores. My reasoning was that at the time I had a number of people who were willing to pay me $75/hr for consulting on various technical projects. This was work that I enjoyed doing. Further there were lots of people who would do any number of household type chores for $10 an hour. So I could spend the weekend doing a consulting project, make $750, and then hire someone to come out three times a week, four hours a day, and do chores for the whole month!
In neither case, my VAX parts buyer, or myself, was trying to 'twist the world to play by their rules' rather, there are rule equivalences that are arbitrated by their monetary value. My 10 hrs of consulting was 'equal' to a month of housework, but it is absolutely true that I wasn't following the 'rule' of 'husband does housework too.' [1]
The life lesson I took away is that, like the concept of 'enterprise' value, strict monetary exchanges don't include the emotional cost as well. The emotional cost can and does change the sales price significantly at times. It can be useful to know when someone is so emotionally invested that the total cost is outside the market. As with raganwald's shirt, the replicas can be bought elsewhere for much less than the total cost. When the startup founder's emotional investment prices the startup outside of market norms it can be leading indicator of trouble.
[1] For future and current husbands out there I do not recommend you try reasoning to this by explaining you could spend your time building a robot and then it would do the housework. Rather than impress your spouse with your robotic skillz they get rather insulted that you think their work can be replaced by a robot!