Using the Moon as an Echo [video]
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#13This is the main plot from 3 body problem using the moon to magnify the signal!
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#14I haven't managed a two way contact because there is some broadband noise on 2m in the same direction that the moon rises that raises my noise floor in that direction by more than 10dB.
I've made a fair number of contacts via meteor scatter, however.
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#15This is the main plot from 3 body problem using the moon to magnify the signal!
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#16What they are beaming at the moon are not mechanical sound waves (which obviously won't cross the vacuum that separates earth and moon) but radio waves (= electro magnetic radiation)
Since we are talking about audio waves at both input and output of the demonstration ...there is presumably a conversion of audio waves to radio waves -- possibly using some form of modulation like AM or FM to encode the audio information.
Assuming it is FM modulated, given that the return signal has all kinds of doppler effects due to relative velocities ... we can't simply tune into the base frequency of the FM Modulation carrier wave ... but need to correct it with each passing minute maybe.
And the frequency modulation encoded on top of the carrier wave should also be scaled back proportionally based on doppler correction.
Once we do that though...why wouldn't the echo sound identical to the origibal?
I didn't quite follow why there is still a change in pitch of the audio between input and output.
Did they simply skip the second step of error correction described above and are showing the resulting distortion in recovered audio after FM demodulation?
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#17This is the main plot from 3 body problem using the moon to magnify the signal!
IIRC wasn't it using solar plasma as an astrophysical maser? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysical_maser
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#18I am out of my depth here What they are beaming at the moon are not mechanical sound waves (which obviously won't cross the vacuum that separates earth and moon) but radio waves (= electro magnetic radiation) Since we are talking about audio waves at both input and output of the demonstration ...there is presumably a conversion of audio waves to radio waves -- possibly using some form of modulation like AM or FM to e…
The amount of doppler depends on what frequency they are at and where the moon is. One can set an offset between RX and TX frequency, but one doesn't have to.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
IIRC wasn't it using solar plasma as an astrophysical maser? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysical_maser
To be honest I am beginning to doubt my own understanding of the plot, I never read the book but watched the tv show with my wife and my recollection was just the moon itself would magnify the signal
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#20Oh hey I have that same ham radio! Kenwood TS-2000. I guess I just need a giant radio telescope...
A cross polarized Yagi can do EME bounce as well. You need an az/el rotator to track the moon though.