What I Saw in the Darién Gap • Hacker News Board

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by altacc » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 7:38 AM UTC

worstspotgain wrote: post #7

Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

The answer to immigration is indeed to improve the countries that are the sources of migration but I think this should be by making the world fairer, more equal and less profit led. History shows that direct or indirect intervention by the US fails terribly as much, if not more, than it succeeds and those failures lead to immigration.

The United States' post-9/11 wars have resulted in mass population displacements and widespread regional instability. Afghanistan: failure, Iraq: failure, Somalia: failure, Yemen: failure, Libya: failure. And that's only in the last few years. The West keeps thinking that it can destabilize a country, choose which side they want to win and somehow that country will emerge as a stable & successful ally without any side effects. That's delusional thinking but our governments keep doing it. We need to try something else and we know prosperity creates a more stable peace than any army.

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by grecy » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 7:40 AM UTC

sgt wrote: post #6

This is crazy and obviously has to be stopped somehow. Can't the US Army be sent down there to patrol the upper border of the jungle, so force the migrants to return?

Team America policing the world again?

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by reducesuffering » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 7:41 AM UTC

worstspotgain wrote: post #7

Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

> these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments

You don't usually see complaints about the right-wing bias of The Atlantic...

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by paganel » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 7:42 AM UTC

worstspotgain wrote: post #7

Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

What's Putin got to do with the Americans going all ballistic against Chavez back in the day? It's all on them, on the Americans, and on the Monroe doctrine.

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by worstspotgain » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 7:58 AM UTC

reducesuffering wrote: post #13

worstspotgain wrote: post #7

Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

> these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments You don't usually see complaints about the right-wing bias of The Atlantic ...

"Stuff" can happen in the unlikeliest places if it can make a difference, see e.g. the NYT's treatment of Hillary's campaign.

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by worstspotgain » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 8:06 AM UTC

worstspotgain wrote: post #7

Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

There seems to be some intense brigading going on, particularly for a human interest article that's not related to Russia on paper. I guess it's only going to get worse for the next 3 months.

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by altacc » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 8:23 AM UTC

sgt wrote: post #6

This is crazy and obviously has to be stopped somehow. Can't the US Army be sent down there to patrol the upper border of the jungle, so force the migrants to return?

They would just find another route. They’re already contending with cartels, bandits, profiteers, deadly terrain and the Panamanian army. The US army would be the least of the their worries. They’re not doing this journey easy, they’re doing it because they’re desperate and the limited rewards of reaching their goal are worth the great risk.

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by KevinMS » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 8:26 AM UTC

worstspotgain wrote: post #7

Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

> surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments.

That's a strange way to say reporting on illegal immigration reality

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by iudqnolq » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 8:38 AM UTC

reducesuffering wrote: post #13

worstspotgain wrote: post #7

Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

> these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments You don't usually see complaints about the right-wing bias of The Atlantic ...

Huh, I see it quite frequently. In particular I see references to the anti-Palestinian bias with suggestions that the fact the editor in chief volunteered to join the IDF and served as a guard in a prison camp might be relevant.

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Post by ivann » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 8:43 AM UTC

noughtme wrote: post #3

Good overview and history of the Darien Gap migrant issue: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/10/how-treacherous-darien-g... Also, see the work of journalist Michael Yon. https://youtube.com/watch?v=VVxUYulIEUk

On the "Center for Immigration Studies":

> The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an American anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham alongside eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton in 1985 as a spin-off of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). It is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.

> Reports published by CIS have been disputed by scholars on immigration, fact-checkers and news outlets, and immigration-research organizations. The organization had significant influence within the Trump administration, which cited the group's work to defend its immigration policies. The Southern Poverty Law Center designated CIS as a hate group with ties to the American nativist movement. The CIS sued the SPLC over the designation, but the lawsuit was dismissed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

And on Michael Yon in the Darién Gap:

> Since 2021, Yon has worked as a fixer in the Darién Gap, a dangerous stretch of jungle used by migrants entering the United States illegally. He has worked with figures such as Alex Jones and Laura Loomer, getting them access to the camps where legacy media are barred by security. A New York Times article noted that he targeted the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, quoting him as saying that "they’re coming across the border and it’s being funded with Jewish money.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Yon#2021-24_%E2%80%93_...