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A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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English translation A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result - can a cyber attack now affect all farmers? Farmer Bircher refused to pay 10,000 francs to a gang. A cyber security expert says: "Agriculture is where the banks and insurance companies were fifteen years ago." Farmer Vital Bircher from Hagendorn in the canton of Zug receives a text message from his milking robot. It was no longer recei…

> Bircher says that the hacked computer was technically up to date: The farmer had only bought the device a year ago, it had Windows 11 installed and also an antivirus program People think this is sufficient. Microsoft has a giant marketing budget to ensure they never think differently.

CowStrike: A division of CrowdStrike!

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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Rent seeking again. How is this rent seeking?

The SaaSification of something that should have been a product.

But that's nothing to do with rent seeking. Rent seeking is getting the government/a regulator to mandate the use of your service.

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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English translation A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result - can a cyber attack now affect all farmers? Farmer Bircher refused to pay 10,000 francs to a gang. A cyber security expert says: "Agriculture is where the banks and insurance companies were fifteen years ago." Farmer Vital Bircher from Hagendorn in the canton of Zug receives a text message from his milking robot. It was no longer recei…

So IoT killed his cow. "The Zug farmer Bircher was lucky that certain parts of his milking systems were disconnected from the computer. He was able to continue milking his livestock despite the hacker attack." Don't connect important machines to the internet... all these hacker stories comes down to the same fundamental mistake. If not as a privacy and rent seeking nightmare. You are in reach of every hooligan in the…

The interesting thing about this one is that he presumably didn't download any malware onto it. Such machines just run a single app that comes from the factory, and aren't use for general computing.

So - how did the malware get in?

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The SaaSification of something that should have been a product.

But that's nothing to do with rent seeking. Rent seeking is getting the government/a regulator to mandate the use of your service.

Just leave it be.

"Rent seeking" is an "I hate everything" buzzphrase that people use without understanding, like "gaslighting" and "third spaces".

It is useless to try and correct the error.

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The SaaSification of something that should have been a product.

But that's nothing to do with rent seeking. Rent seeking is getting the government/a regulator to mandate the use of your service.

There are other forms of rent-seeking; I believe a term that more narrowly fits your definition is "regulatory capture".

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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Nope. It's the opposite way. The cow produces so much milk, because it's milked so often. In normal world, cow produces milk for the children, and when they drink less and less milk, the cow produces less and less milk. In the not normal world (aka the farm) cows are inseminated almost every year, the children are taken away (causing shock in children and mothers) then cows are milked all the time. Then impregnated a…

https://unbottled.com/questions/what-happens-when-a-cow-need... The person you’re responding to actually knows what they’re talking about. It seems like you’re off an incorrect assumption that there are dairy cows in the wild. (“normal world”) Dairy cows are domesticated animals. They do not exist outside of the context of farms.

Well, they’re correct. It’s a predicament the farmer has put the cow in. The top comment’s framing makes it sound like cows just exist in nature and need us to milk them.

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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post #10

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Nope. It's the opposite way. The cow produces so much milk, because it's milked so often. In normal world, cow produces milk for the children, and when they drink less and less milk, the cow produces less and less milk. In the not normal world (aka the farm) cows are inseminated almost every year, the children are taken away (causing shock in children and mothers) then cows are milked all the time. Then impregnated a…

https://unbottled.com/questions/what-happens-when-a-cow-need... The person you’re responding to actually knows what they’re talking about. It seems like you’re off an incorrect assumption that there are dairy cows in the wild. (“normal world”) Dairy cows are domesticated animals. They do not exist outside of the context of farms.

Some need hormon injections so they can get rid of the milk.

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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Many people don't know that you have to milk a dairy cow twice a day because they produce so much milk. They will experience severe pain of not milked, so in case of an emergency, usually all cows are euthanized. In today's world, farmers need to have more cows than they could ever milk by hand.

>Many people don't know that you have to milk a dairy cow twice a day because they produce so much milk.

Why? This doesn't seem natural (or ethical)

>In today's world, farmers need to have more cows than they could ever milk by hand.

Why? This doesn't seem sustainable (or ethical)

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's nothing to do with rent seeking. Rent seeking is getting the government/a regulator to mandate the use of your service.

There are other forms of rent-seeking; I believe a term that more narrowly fits your definition is "regulatory capture".

Making a SAAS out of a product is one of those definitions?

Re: A farmer from Zug is hacked. One of his cows dies as a result

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So IoT killed his cow. "The Zug farmer Bircher was lucky that certain parts of his milking systems were disconnected from the computer. He was able to continue milking his livestock despite the hacker attack." Don't connect important machines to the internet... all these hacker stories comes down to the same fundamental mistake. If not as a privacy and rent seeking nightmare. You are in reach of every hooligan in the…

The interesting thing about this one is that he presumably didn't download any malware onto it. Such machines just run a single app that comes from the factory, and aren't use for general computing. So - how did the malware get in?

>Such machines just run a single app that comes from the factory, and aren't use for general computing.

And those machines are always running a purpose built program made by the lowest bidder and have TRIVIAL flaws to exploit.

The malware got in the same way malware got into Windows 2000 back in the day: the code exposed to the network is trash and is full of holes you can drive a truck through.

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