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Re: Reverse Diversity

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Post by snapplebobapple » Wed, Aug 07, 2024, 1:25 AM UTC

nunez wrote: post #7

This is what DEI efforts were supposed to solve. There is always implicit bias in hiring, and monocultures like the ones that the article described happen very easily, regardless of race or gender. It's a shame that it became such a politically-charged topic.

I think you are conflating "supposed" and "claimed to be able". There isn't really any evidence that it ever achieved that or that the stated goals were the actual goals. (one would think that if the stated goals were the actual goals one would make changes when one saw skin color diversify while ideas turned into a monoculture or when the above cronyism happened with a different skin color, which isn't happening among the people strongly for this stuff, they are as for it as ever).

Re: Reverse Diversity

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Post by nunez » Wed, Aug 07, 2024, 11:57 PM UTC

snapplebobapple wrote: post #11

nunez wrote: post #7

This is what DEI efforts were supposed to solve. There is always implicit bias in hiring, and monocultures like the ones that the article described happen very easily, regardless of race or gender. It's a shame that it became such a politically-charged topic.

I think you are conflating "supposed" and "claimed to be able". There isn't really any evidence that it ever achieved that or that the stated goals were the actual goals. (one would think that if the stated goals were the actual goals one would make changes when one saw skin color diversify while ideas turned into a monoculture or when the above cronyism happened with a different skin color, which isn't happening amo…

Improving diversity takes a LONG time.

I think that DEI bringing to light the lack of racial, gender and ability diversity that is pervasive throughout corporate America is a huge success. That "DEI" and "pronouns" is "banned" in certain states is huge forward progress, even though it doesn't seem that way right now.

It got people thinking about this that would not have. That is how generational change starts.

For example, Basic civil rights for women and people historically discriminated against took decades to happen. Some states removed interracial marriage laws relatively recently (90s/00s), for example, despite interracial relationships existing since forever!

It took years for big OSS projects to rename their "master" trunk branches to "main." Nowadays, "master" branches look outdated and odd, and many big projects have diversity as a line item in their codes of conduct.

Re: Reverse Diversity

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Post by snapplebobapple » Fri, Aug 09, 2024, 6:01 AM UTC

nunez wrote: post #12

snapplebobapple wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are conflating "supposed" and "claimed to be able". There isn't really any evidence that it ever achieved that or that the stated goals were the actual goals. (one would think that if the stated goals were the actual goals one would make changes when one saw skin color diversify while ideas turned into a monoculture or when the above cronyism happened with a different skin color, which isn't happening amo…

Improving diversity takes a LONG time. I think that DEI bringing to light the lack of racial, gender and ability diversity that is pervasive throughout corporate America is a huge success. That "DEI" and "pronouns" is "banned" in certain states is huge forward progress, even though it doesn't seem that way right now. It got people thinking about this that would not have. That is how generational change starts. For ex…

I think quite the contrary. It got us thinking and talking about it in an adversarial way, which leads to strife and further stratification, rather than uniting us in looking past whatever superficial difference there is towards sharing and enacting good ideas together. martin Luther King and the original star trek are far more correct than the current crop of agitators. We will never get to a black woman and an asian man being on the bridge in leadership roles because they are the best people for the job and their skin color is irrelevant when we are starting from them being legislated onto public company boards regardless of their merit. The paths are not connected because it is impossible to respect someone who didn't earn their spot or who you can't tell if they earned their spot and that is now a pall that hangs over some very capable minority people because of this stupidity.

Taking a word that has multiple meaning and eradicating all of them because you don't like one meaning is a very marxist thing to do and looks pretty stupid. It's not a brave or intelligent thing we did there.