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Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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I guess I’m in the minority, but I can’t remember the last time I used Yelp to find restaurants. It’s been obvious for years (it feels like at least 10, maybe more) that they can’t be trusted. I’m actually surprised they still get enough traffic to be sustainable.

Yelp is bad (really bad) but so is everyone else. I still use them on road trips alongside Google Maps and Apple Maps simply because none of them show all the restaurants in an area. It's kind of unbelievable how frustrating it is to try to get a complete look at all the restaurants nearby some location. Then again, it's a good trip if Google Maps doesn't ask me to turn left across three lanes onto a private alley and right through a brick wall (true story).

Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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I guess I’m in the minority, but I can’t remember the last time I used Yelp to find restaurants. It’s been obvious for years (it feels like at least 10, maybe more) that they can’t be trusted. I’m actually surprised they still get enough traffic to be sustainable.

It’s equivalent to crowd sourcing star ratings for music. How could I know our tastes are compatible?

Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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I guess I’m in the minority, but I can’t remember the last time I used Yelp to find restaurants. It’s been obvious for years (it feels like at least 10, maybe more) that they can’t be trusted. I’m actually surprised they still get enough traffic to be sustainable.

Same. Yelp is for finding pics of menus and food. Googling " restaurants reddit" is for finding good places to go.

side not, wtf did google do to their menu photos, its like a canvas u can zoom in or get the any type of img?

Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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somehow tabelog seems pretty legit compared to yelp. maybe there are issues in the japanese bubbles idk about and cant participate in. but on a trip to japan following that site led me to some amazing meals. Some of these problems seems like the cause is because its hard to complain in person. I guess we all get labeled "karens" now for showing any kind of negative feedback in person, so we just suck it up and never…

>> I guess we all get labeled "karens" now for showing any kind of negative feedback in person

Being a Karen is more about "how" you complain rather than "what" you complain about.

(With exceptions, complaining about race etc makes you a Karen too.)

But in the context of a restaurant, well mannered complaints are often well received and encouraged. If the food arrives cold, let the server know. Politely. Calmly. The restaurant wants to know, they want to fix the problem.

Leaping to your feet, throwing the food on the floor, and making a scene out of proportion to the offense is what turns you into a Karen.

Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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somehow tabelog seems pretty legit compared to yelp. maybe there are issues in the japanese bubbles idk about and cant participate in. but on a trip to japan following that site led me to some amazing meals. Some of these problems seems like the cause is because its hard to complain in person. I guess we all get labeled "karens" now for showing any kind of negative feedback in person, so we just suck it up and never…

I'm also impressed with tabelog.

Japanese reviewers seem to understand that 3 is an average meal, and anything higher should be above average.

I wonder how tipping culture of the western world impacts star averages. Americans tip on just about everything. Do we inflate our star rating because it's in our mindset to 'be nice'?

Whereas Japanese are courteous on the outside, but uphold strict scrutiny on the inside. So when they rate something as 3 stars, it truly was a satisfactory meal, nothing more or less.

Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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somehow tabelog seems pretty legit compared to yelp. maybe there are issues in the japanese bubbles idk about and cant participate in. but on a trip to japan following that site led me to some amazing meals. Some of these problems seems like the cause is because its hard to complain in person. I guess we all get labeled "karens" now for showing any kind of negative feedback in person, so we just suck it up and never…

You're correct on this. Tabelog users center hard around 3 stars which is considered the real average. Users on sites like Yelp and Google Maps skew toward an average of 4.5 or 5 for what is considered a standard experience. This makes it extremely difficult to sort for places that are extraordinary because everyone keeps rating the max amount of stars by default. Same problem on Amazon. It doesn't really help to onl…

For google maps I honestly have better experiences with 4 out of 5s than ones closer to 5 out of 5. No idea why

Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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somehow tabelog seems pretty legit compared to yelp. maybe there are issues in the japanese bubbles idk about and cant participate in. but on a trip to japan following that site led me to some amazing meals. Some of these problems seems like the cause is because its hard to complain in person. I guess we all get labeled "karens" now for showing any kind of negative feedback in person, so we just suck it up and never…

> Some of these problems seems like the cause is because its hard to complain in person.

I was recently in an airport in Japan looking to use the meal voucher I'd been given due to a delayed flight.

What was available locally was a coffee shop with a very long line (well, not a long line, maybe ten feet, but keep reading), which operated like this:

- The person at the head of the line would advance and speak to the cashier, who would take their coffee order.

- The cashier would then leave the cash register and busy herself making the order.

- There were two other people on staff, who stayed away from the register. I'm not sure what they were supposed to be doing. They didn't take or prepare orders.

As you might imagine, this made for a very slow-moving line.

I wanted to use my voucher to buy some sodas from a refrigerated display in front of the counter. I had no trouble picking the sodas up myself and learning that the shop accepted meal vouchers. The voucher was exact change for the four sodas I was holding, so I hoped that that would be the end of things.

Instead, on learning that I wanted to use the voucher I was asking about, to pay for the sodas I was already holding, the cashier asked me to please line up with everybody else. Since that would have taken at least 40 minutes, I went to see whether a separate wing of the airport might have something.

That didn't work out, but I did run into my family (taking a separate flight), and after some socializing I went back to try and get sodas for everybody, since the competing store we'd found didn't take meal vouchers.

This time, after several minutes standing in line, I realized that there was no possibility of reaching the head of the line before I had to board my flight. So I hailed one of the idle behind-the-counter staff, specifically avoiding the cashier, and asked about my meal voucher. They were still happy to take it.

When I tried to make the purchase, the cashier butted in and asked me to please line up behind everybody else. And I shouted in frustration, "That takes so long!"

At which point, they took my voucher and let me walk off with the sodas. The voucher was still exact change.

I'm not sure what the solution was supposed to be. I find it hard to believe that you're supposed to handle deeply dysfunctional shop staff by yelling at them. But I have to note that this 'solution' saved me a huge chunk of time - and made it possible for me to make a purchase, and the shop to make a sale, that otherwise couldn't have happened at all - while not costing anyone else anything, except perhaps for wounding the cashier's heartfelt sense of propriety.

One lesson seems to be that in some cases, complying with the rules serves no purpose other than to enable actively harmful rules to remain in place.

Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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post #16
post #2

somehow tabelog seems pretty legit compared to yelp. maybe there are issues in the japanese bubbles idk about and cant participate in. but on a trip to japan following that site led me to some amazing meals. Some of these problems seems like the cause is because its hard to complain in person. I guess we all get labeled "karens" now for showing any kind of negative feedback in person, so we just suck it up and never…

I'm also impressed with tabelog. Japanese reviewers seem to understand that 3 is an average meal, and anything higher should be above average. I wonder how tipping culture of the western world impacts star averages. Americans tip on just about everything. Do we inflate our star rating because it's in our mindset to 'be nice'? Whereas Japanese are courteous on the outside, but uphold strict scrutiny on the inside. So…

It's the same in Europe with the 5-stars-is-normal scale.

In my personal experience it's the app that fosters it. Many companies who ask for reviews follow up anything below 5 stars or 10/10 with "how can we improve?" Or some similar questions. This is friction they generate for me as a user if I rate anything below top tier.

Personally for me 5 stars or 10/10 would be service that is so good I couldn't even tell you how to do it. I couldn't tell you how to improve to that state unless the business in question is something I'm very familiar with. Still I sometimes find myself handing out 5 stars because otherwise I have to find something to complain about and I just can't think of anything.

So that is what has made 5 stars for me go from "mind blowingly outstanding" to "nothing to complain".

Re: Everybody gets a star: Yelp's effect on restaurants and reviews

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also impressed with tabelog. Japanese reviewers seem to understand that 3 is an average meal, and anything higher should be above average. I wonder how tipping culture of the western world impacts star averages. Americans tip on just about everything. Do we inflate our star rating because it's in our mindset to 'be nice'? Whereas Japanese are courteous on the outside, but uphold strict scrutiny on the inside. So…

It's the same in Europe with the 5-stars-is-normal scale. In my personal experience it's the app that fosters it. Many companies who ask for reviews follow up anything below 5 stars or 10/10 with "how can we improve?" Or some similar questions. This is friction they generate for me as a user if I rate anything below top tier. Personally for me 5 stars or 10/10 would be service that is so good I couldn't even tell you…

Agreed. I live in Europe and have the same experience.

Europeans tend to use the same review apps as Americans, so it could lead to the same problems (expectations at least). We do the same things with other review systems like Airbnb.

I've only been a user of tabelog as a person looking for a meal, not a reviewer. So I'm not sure the experience they have.

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