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Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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Where does the 70% of families lose their wealth statistic come from?

They do not cite it, but searching that sentence on Google brings up a few articles mentioning a “20-year study by The Williams Group involving 3200 families, show that 70% of families lose their wealth in the second generation and 90% lose it in the third.”

But I can’t find an article in a quick check on er website.

There are some mentions on their website about how splitting the family fortune dilutes it and causes families to lose money.

There are families in Europe that pass the bulk of the family fortune to the oldest son. That son does what they can to help the rest of the family live comfortably, but the rest certainly aren’t rich. So, this statistic may only be applicable to American families or places where it’s common to successively divide the fortune up.

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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can't this be summed up as lots of countries have laws (or historically had) against establishing perpetual trusts? It'd be trivial for someone like Gates to set up a trust that pays out to all his heirs indefinitely without them being able to directly extract the assets of the trust. If it were legal.

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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post #7

Where does the 70% of families lose their wealth statistic come from?

This piece seems to do a good job investigating it:

https://jamesgrubman.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/2022-06-...

The original source was a study in the 1980s examining 200 family businesses in manufacturing in Illinois, and since then a collection of financial advisors and estate planners have cited it (often without attribution).

Edit: As an aside, I understand that different industries have different standards - but it seems insane to me that any professional piece, let alone a well known brand like Nasdaq, would drop a statistic like that without any kind of attribution.

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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I feel like this is almost always due to education around modern money systems.

If a child inherits $1 million from their parents (after taxes), they may feel rich, and they may try really hard to hold onto that money by saving and buying appreciating assets. In 10 years time that money might grow to $2 million. However, the buying power of $2 million is approximately equal to $1.5 million (3% inflation over 10 years). Couple that with a 20% tax on capital gains, and their real wealth increased by only 300K over 10 years after inflation. So while their nominal wealth seems to have doubled, their real wealth was only increasing by a modest 30K per year.

And this is all assuming that the person isn't spending any of that money. A different person might spend + invest and still have $1 million in their bank 10 years later... But this isn't the same $1 million they had 10 years ago --- adjusted for inflation they are 250K more poor

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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post #7

Where does the 70% of families lose their wealth statistic come from?

This is the entire premise in The missing billionaires - A guide to better financial decisions, Victor Haghani and James White, 2023. But this is an investing book, not sociology. They consider billionaires in the introduction and they point to the Forbes list rather than a specific study. Which is not unfair. Billionaires are counted and listed. Not hard to take a glimpse.

Their observation is counter to the usual cliché narrative that the rich have only one way. Up, can't lose.

Indeed if you consider that, starting with, say, one billion, I would be able to invest not too conservative, not too aggressive and still draw out insane amounts of money to "live on". Meaning that in theory, starting with a billion, there is only one way, up. Meaning that a billion dollar wealth, invested, should own the world after a few generations.

But this is obviously not what's happening. The Forbes list is full of relatively new wealth. Ancient wealth (more than 3 generations) stands out in the list. It's not common. And the highest wealth is first generation! And that's even though magazines tend to list the wealth of an entire family on one line - never mind that it's dozens of people.

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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post #9

> The third generation never realizes the struggles and sacrifices the previous generations endured. The only thing they know if a life of plenty and have a real lack of understanding of what is needed to create and maintain the lifestyle they have grown accustom to. Having made this perfectly valid point, the article seems to ignore it from that point on. Yes,that is the problem but can you fix it?

Yes you can. Apparently there are agencies that carry out intensive lifelong financial education that begins around 10 and carries on from there for very high wealth families. I read an article about it once but can’t find it anymore.

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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A few more bullet points on the pile that aren't as often discussed, probably because they don't fit grand moralistic/child-rearing narratives:

* Regression to the mean. [0] Humans try very hard to avoid "dumb-luck" in any story even if it's the best available explanation.

* Inheritance split to more than one heir.

For the heir-scenario, imagine that Generation 1 is a single family living off the interest of $12m. They have three kids, who marry equivalently-wealthy spouses. Now Generation 2's average wealth is $8m. That's a decrease, and we haven't even begun to talk about factors like "raised with good habits" or "work" etc.

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[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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I feel like this is almost always due to education around modern money systems. If a child inherits $1 million from their parents (after taxes), they may feel rich, and they may try really hard to hold onto that money by saving and buying appreciating assets. In 10 years time that money might grow to $2 million. However, the buying power of $2 million is approximately equal to $1.5 million (3% inflation over 10 years…

What should they do ?

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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https://web.archive.org/web/20240803165555/https://old.reddi... https://web.archive.org/web/20240803165742/https://old.reddi...

Reddit has several fascinating glimpses in the mess that are (some) very wealthy and trust fund situations. Never clear which ones are somewhat fiction and which completely genuine but still interesting.

In one of your threads, there is the mention that there are still tons of these "old money" families around. Yes. But hardly any of them is in the Forbes list range of billion dollar wealth. When mechanically, most of them might still be somewhere around there, had money been managed better.

Re: Why Do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation? (2018)

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post #8

Luck. Model an agent that has some odds of doubling wealth, maintaining wealth, or halving wealth per iteration of some game. It's easy to generate downward trends.

Yeah it was a bit annoying they didn't mention luck in the opening of this article. That being said, work ethic and a some inoculation against nihilism are necessary ingredients.
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