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Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Re: Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Post by petterroea »

This is a great excuse to also ensure the legality of third party reverse-engineering as a legitimate and reasonable reaction to the unavailability of official support. I believe EU law already to a certain degree supports this.

Just look at the situation Fisker Ocean Car owners are in at the moment - the company has gone bankrupt, and their fate is in the hands of whoever buys the assets. eSIMs may not be paid for, and there is no guarantee there will be an online service for the cars to phone home to in the future. Some features - like the sunroof - won't work without it.

Re: Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Post by Dban1 »

oleganza wrote: post #6

People want to be hooked up on subscription because schools and parents do not preach long-term values (well, maybe only orthodox religious minorities do). We are in this situation because of a shrinking time horizon for the modern society (aka "high time preference"). People want instant gratification, buy-now-pay-later, pay attention to the packaging, not content. Most citizens are conditioned to live here and now.…

interesting seeing these terms here. I came from reading The Bitcoin Standard book

Re: Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Post by sph »

Dban1 wrote: post #12
oleganza wrote: post #6

People want to be hooked up on subscription because schools and parents do not preach long-term values (well, maybe only orthodox religious minorities do). We are in this situation because of a shrinking time horizon for the modern society (aka "high time preference"). People want instant gratification, buy-now-pay-later, pay attention to the packaging, not content. Most citizens are conditioned to live here and now.…

interesting seeing these terms here. I came from reading The Bitcoin Standard book

The best part about this book is the first half, about the history of currency, economy and indeed, the concept of time preference. How inflationary or deflationary economies affect human psychology and spending patterns.

I recommend it even if one is not really interested in cryptocurrencies. Or watch the author's (Saifedean Ammous) interview on Lex Friedman if you prefer.

Re: Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Post by IshKebab »

vasco wrote: post #7
surfingdino wrote: post #3

> Not interfere with any business practices while a game is still being supported. Needs better explanation.

They just mean the companies can still do whatever they want while the game is being supported. It's an extremely poor way of writing that they are only interested in modifying the rules for end-of-life of games instead of regulate existing playable games. The whole thing is poorly written, but the idea is reasonable.

Define "supported"...

This seems like a good goal but I'm not sure they've fully thought it through.

Re: Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Post by gschizas »

stavros wrote: post #8

I've signed this, and, as an aside, I was extremely impressed that the Europa.eu site localized the CAPTCHA to the Greek alphabet. That's some commitment to accessibility by the general public.

True, never seen a CAPTCHA with Greek letters before! I refreshed it to make sure, I was so confused!

Good job!

Re: Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Post by close04 »

oleganza wrote: post #6

People want to be hooked up on subscription because schools and parents do not preach long-term values (well, maybe only orthodox religious minorities do). We are in this situation because of a shrinking time horizon for the modern society (aka "high time preference"). People want instant gratification, buy-now-pay-later, pay attention to the packaging, not content. Most citizens are conditioned to live here and now.…

> Even climate change activists frame the issue (that is supposed to be about long-term thinking) on a very short scale: do something hysterical right now, otherwise the world's gonna end tomorrow.

This looks more like a consequence of the issue you described previously, than part of the issue itself. If everyone is concerned only with the next 5 minutes (and even if they are with the next 5 years), how would you possibly get them to care about the next 50 or 500 years? So you frame it in terms that align with the modern approach of "only here and now exist".

Re: Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Post by Yeul »

As I understand it copyright on a videogame is 50 years but the vast majority of games- or all entertainment really- stops making money after a few years. It gets worse if your game has licensed music in it!

I think piracy is the best method of preservation because it's removed from a financial incentive. Publishers just aren't going to spend a dime if it doesn't make a buck.

Re: Stop Killing Games – European Citizens' Initiative

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Post by irusensei »

sph wrote: post #14
Dban1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

interesting seeing these terms here. I came from reading The Bitcoin Standard book

The best part about this book is the first half, about the history of currency, economy and indeed, the concept of time preference. How inflationary or deflationary economies affect human psychology and spending patterns. I recommend it even if one is not really interested in cryptocurrencies. Or watch the author's (Saifedean Ammous) interview on Lex Friedman if you prefer.

Good read but Saifedean is very opinionated and will be probably off putting to the average orange Redditor. I for one can't stand him for more than a few minutes. You always know he will start blabbering about carnivore diets within 5 minutes.
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