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Ukraine Hacks ATMs Across Russia in Ongoing Cyberattack

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Post by jncfhnb »

dralley wrote: post #10
jncfhnb wrote: post #9

I’m guessing the scale of this isn’t as large as the article implies but I suppose we’ll see It’s been sort of reassuring to see how absolutely minimal of an effect Russian hackers have had on Ukraine these past years

It's minimal at the macro scale but pretty significant at the micro scale. e.g. things like https://www.wired.com/story/russia-ukraine-frostygoop-malwar... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Ukraine_power_grid_hack It could certainly be worse. But the thing is, Russia has so many options for inflicting physical damage that the cyberattacks are relatively less important.

I don’t really agree. These things are extremely small. An outage for 1-6 hours is negligible. Russia has failed all of its strategic objectives including an effort to maim Ukrainian power infrastructure.

I wouldn’t have been totally surprised if Russian cyber attacks were genuinely capable of disabling large parts of critical networks. But I’m glad to see they’re not.

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Post by dmix »

bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #8
surfingdino wrote: post #6

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> after 100+ years You're being generous. 100 years is already after the Bolshevik coup and the civil war. No, this behavior started somewhen in imperial Russia. In late empire the paranoia that "the world is out to get us" was already present.

I watched 2 different 1hr video series on Russian Navy and one of their Airforce

https://youtu.be/ny4AYOv-nUk?si=EifXBMWjR0mCu__4

https://youtu.be/f95oBKLODE0?si=ctUvLwMFn6LZ_PPB

And the main theme for both was the more things change the more things stay the same in Russia. Their behaviour transcend local political or economic disasters they invent for themselves, to the point it's either just their culture or genetics.

They are forever destined to pretending they are part of the system of the modern world enjoys as a Potemkin "superpower" while forever embarassing themselves while blaming everyone else but themselves and never fixing the root causes.

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Post by surfingdino »

dmix wrote: post #12
bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> after 100+ years You're being generous. 100 years is already after the Bolshevik coup and the civil war. No, this behavior started somewhen in imperial Russia. In late empire the paranoia that "the world is out to get us" was already present.

I watched 2 different 1hr video series on Russian Navy and one of their Airforce https://youtu.be/ny4AYOv-nUk?si=EifXBMWjR0mCu__4 https://youtu.be/f95oBKLODE0?si=ctUvLwMFn6LZ_PPB And the main theme for both was the more things change the more things stay the same in Russia. Their behaviour transcend local political or economic disasters they invent for themselves, to the point it's either just their culture or geneti…

Watch this as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU1f47SC_A8 and perhaps most importantly watch this lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F45i0v_u6s If you find it hard to follow the voiceover, here's the transcript https://the-culture-shocks.blogspot.com/2022/03/evaluation-o...

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Post by Doxin »

ilaksh wrote: post #7

I think that if civilized people keep tolerating and normalizing warfare long enough then it eventually catches up with them in their own country. Exactly what you are supposed to do to stop it, I am not sure. But just complete acceptance or even enthusiasm for warfare is not a safe or necessarily sane response. I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of…

> I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts.

To be fair the whole Russia-Ukrain conflict boils down to "Russia taking shit that's not theirs". Pretty easy to take sides there.

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Post by protomolecule »

Doxin wrote: post #15
ilaksh wrote: post #7

I think that if civilized people keep tolerating and normalizing warfare long enough then it eventually catches up with them in their own country. Exactly what you are supposed to do to stop it, I am not sure. But just complete acceptance or even enthusiasm for warfare is not a safe or necessarily sane response. I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of…

> I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts. To be fair the whole Russia-Ukrain conflict boils down to "Russia taking shit that's not theirs". Pretty easy to take sides there.

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Post by mopsi »

protomolecule wrote: post #16
Doxin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts. To be fair the whole Russia-Ukrain conflict boils down to "Russia taking shit that's not theirs". Pretty easy to take sides there.

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There was no coup in Ukraine. The sitting president killed over 100 protestors and fled the country in face of jailtime. Ukraine's parliament unanimously voted to hold new elections, and the government that assembled as a result of the elections was recognized by everyone, even Russia.

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Post by protomolecule »

mopsi wrote: post #17
protomolecule wrote: post #16

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There was no coup in Ukraine. The sitting president killed over 100 protestors and fled the country in face of jailtime. Ukraine's parliament unanimously voted to hold new elections, and the government that assembled as a result of the elections was recognized by everyone, even Russia.

"There was no coup in Ukraine. The sitting president killed over 100 protestors"

That "protest" looked like insurrection [0], if anyone had to be put in jail, it's the organizers:

"The night before the clashes, Right Sector called on all of its members to ready themselves for a "peace offensive" on 18 February. That morning, around 20,000 demonstrators marched on the parliament building as that body was set to consider opposition demands for a new constitution and government. Around 09:45, the demonstrators broke through the police barricade of several personnel-transport trucks near the building of the Central Officers' Club of Ukraine and pushed the cordon of police aside. The clashes started after some two dozen demonstrators moved a police vehicle blocking their path to parliament." [1]

Right Sector is "the right-wing, paramilitary confederation of several ultranationalist organizations" [2]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector

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